AJ-Wlad - Wembley

[El Kabong]

Ever since he got humiliated by Sanders he's been safety first and risk averse. Top of the list in this fight for him is not getting sparked and going out like that. The question is if in 2017 he's still got enough jab and grab skills left to keep Joshua away from his chin till the later rounds. Maybe Joshua will be able to get past that jab and knock him out but I have a feeling Junior will have enough left to bore his way through twelve rounds. I can actually see him being happy with a points loss and maybe a rematch down the line but Joshua may struggle to do the distance. It's actually quite a decent fight. I can't believe I'm looking forward to watching another Junior fight.

OH NO a shocking KO loss in his career.....Why he's the first....AND ONLY heavyweight for that to ever happen to!!!!!


Risk averse? He fought Sam Peter AFTER losing to Sanders and Brewster when he was likewise in a place of WIN or RETIRE...but no no, he's "risk averse" .....and even if you mean IN THE RING ....my God the fucking tragedy that is attempting NOT to get punched in the head.




Are you certain you're not retarded? Fucking Hell, you're missing a good opportunity if you aren't

[Master]

Ever since he got humiliated by Sanders he's been safety first and risk averse. Top of the list in this fight for him is not getting sparked and going out like that. The question is if in 2017 he's still got enough jab and grab skills left to keep Joshua away from his chin till the later rounds. Maybe Joshua will be able to get past that jab and knock him out but I have a feeling Junior will have enough left to bore his way through twelve rounds. I can actually see him being happy with a points loss and maybe a rematch down the line but Joshua may struggle to do the distance. It's actually quite a decent fight. I can't believe I'm looking forward to watching another Junior fight.

OH NO a shocking KO loss in his career.....Why he's the first....AND ONLY heavyweight for that to ever happen to!!!!!


Risk averse? He fought Sam Peter AFTER losing to Sanders and Brewster when he was likewise in a place of WIN or RETIRE...but no no, he's "risk averse" .....and even if you mean IN THE RING ....my God the fucking tragedy that is attempting NOT to get punched in the head.




Are you certain you're not retarded? Fucking Hell, you're missing a good opportunity if you aren't

Calm down, I can not think of any other great heavyweight champion like Wlad who has come back from such devastating losses. Wlad has been champion over 10 years and had more defences than anyone except Louis but you have to admit he does hold/hug even if he is not worried about being knocked out. Povetkin is one classic example.

[El Kabong]

Calm down, I can not think of any other great heavyweight champion like Wlad who has come back from such devastating losses. Wlad has been champion over 10 years and had more defences than anyone except Louis but you have to admit he does hold/hug even if he is not worried about being knocked out. Povetkin is one classic example.

Lennox Lewis recovered from his losses to be an OK boxer, Joe Louis recovered from the loss to Schmelling to do alright for himself.


The clinching is a part of his strategy. OK let's look at Wlad vs Povetkin....Wlad wanted Povetkin at distance, Povetkin wanted quite the opposite, Wlad uses the jab to keep Povetkin at distance, Povetkin slips the jab to get on the inside. Once on the inside it's Povetkin's job to put the work in.....what are Wlad's options when that happens? A) Tie up, the ref breaks you and you're reset B ) Throw punches while Povetkin is in his best range .......hmmmm, which would be the BEST choice.....hmmmmm....guess it'll remain a mystery

[Master]

Calm down, I can not think of any other great heavyweight champion like Wlad who has come back from such devastating losses. Wlad has been champion over 10 years and had more defences than anyone except Louis but you have to admit he does hold/hug even if he is not worried about being knocked out. Povetkin is one classic example.

Lennox Lewis recovered from his losses to be an OK boxer, Joe Louis recovered from the loss to Schmelling to do alright for himself.


The clinching is a part of his strategy. OK let's look at Wlad vs Povetkin....Wlad wanted Povetkin at distance, Povetkin wanted quite the opposite, Wlad uses the jab to keep Povetkin at distance, Povetkin slips the jab to get on the inside. Once on the inside it's Povetkin's job to put the work in.....what are Wlad's options when that happens? A) Tie up, the ref breaks you and you're reset B ) Throw punches while Povetkin is in his best range .......hmmmm, which would be the BEST choice.....hmmmmm....guess it'll remain a mystery

Wlads losses were more devasting than Lewis or Louis which makes his reign even more remarkable.

To tie your opponent is a tactic but Wlad uses it in excess and also to tire the smaller Povetkin. It does not provide for great entertainment and I do not think Wlad needed to have done it either.

[El Kabong]

Wlads losses were more devasting than Lewis or Louis which makes his reign even more remarkable.

To tie your opponent is a tactic but Wlad uses it in excess and also to tire the smaller Povetkin. It does not provide for great entertainment and I do not think Wlad needed to have done it either.

Were they? Lewis got hammered by 1 punch from McCall and 1 punch from Rahman. Joe Louis took a prolonged beating from Schmelling IMO to recover from THAT as a young fighter is the most impressive. But ok, I'll accept the first part.


Entertainment is not the goal of the fighters in the ring, it's nice when they are entertaining but it is not a requirement when it comes to winning a bout. Then comes the question, "Would you rather be entertaining or win?" which means more for a fighter? Which is healthier?


I didn't like Wlad NOT KO-ing Povetkin, but hey, thems the breaks. You get a 6'7 guy in there vs a fireplug like Povetkin and it's going to be a difficult contrast of styles especially if the shorter fighter is diving in quickly like Povetkin was. Look at David Tua vs Lennox Lewis and you'll see the same thing only Tua had slower feet and so Lewis could move away more easily.

[Master]

Wlads losses were more devasting than Lewis or Louis which makes his reign even more remarkable.

To tie your opponent is a tactic but Wlad uses it in excess and also to tire the smaller Povetkin. It does not provide for great entertainment and I do not think Wlad needed to have done it either.

Were they? Lewis got hammered by 1 punch from McCall and 1 punch from Rahman. Joe Louis took a prolonged beating from Schmelling IMO to recover from THAT as a young fighter is the most impressive. But ok, I'll accept the first part.


Entertainment is not the goal of the fighters in the ring, it's nice when they are entertaining but it is not a requirement when it comes to winning a bout. Then comes the question, "Would you rather be entertaining or win?" which means more for a fighter? Which is healthier?


I didn't like Wlad NOT KO-ing Povetkin, but hey, thems the breaks. You get a 6'7 guy in there vs a fireplug like Povetkin and it's going to be a difficult contrast of styles especially if the shorter fighter is diving in quickly like Povetkin was. Look at David Tua vs Lennox Lewis and you'll see the same thing only Tua had slower feet and so Lewis could move away more easily.

Wlad has had a lot of unimpressive defences and at crucial times when he could have been a star in USA.

[El Kabong]

Wlad has had a lot of unimpressive defences and at crucial times when he could have been a star in USA.

Well when you have the MOST defenses not all of them are going to be picture perfect 1 punch KO's.

....Again, it's more important to WIN. Also I'm American, I'm a fan, do I like not count or something?

[TitoFan]

Calm down, I can not think of any other great heavyweight champion like Wlad who has come back from such devastating losses. Wlad has been champion over 10 years and had more defences than anyone except Louis but you have to admit he does hold/hug even if he is not worried about being knocked out. Povetkin is one classic example.

Lennox Lewis recovered from his losses to be an OK boxer, Joe Louis recovered from the loss to Schmelling to do alright for himself.


The clinching is a part of his strategy. OK let's look at Wlad vs Povetkin....Wlad wanted Povetkin at distance, Povetkin wanted quite the opposite, Wlad uses the jab to keep Povetkin at distance, Povetkin slips the jab to get on the inside. Once on the inside it's Povetkin's job to put the work in.....what are Wlad's options when that happens? A) Tie up, the ref breaks you and you're reset B ) Throw punches while Povetkin is in his best range .......hmmmm, which would be the BEST choice.....hmmmmm....guess it'll remain a mystery

See here's where we part ways. Ok... you're a Wlad fan, and I'm not.

So let's say I criticize Wlad and you bring up the Sam Peter fights. As I've done in the past, I'll say... "Gee Lyle, you're right. In the Sam Peter fights Wlad acquitted himself quite well." See? That's me grudgingly admitting to Wlad doing something right and fan-friendly.

Then I bring up the Povetkin fight and you say, well hell..... it's quoted above. Your other answers to Wlad-Povetkin criticism has been along the lines of... "Well if the ref didn't call it....." when you know damn well the ref did a shitty job of controlling what turned out to be a shitty fight. Because let's be clear about one thing. What you call Wlad "tying up" is actually...........


POUNCING ON POVETKIN'S BACK NON-STOP FOR 12 ROUNDS.


Wlad literally threw himself onto Povetkin's back, ref be damned, more times than I care to remember. Somewhere along the line Wlad must've decided that... "Damn the torpedoes, I'm jumping on Povetkin's back."

But back on point.
You can be the World's Biggest Wlad Fan, and still admit to one or two lousy fights by Wlad.
Your membership card will not revoked.

[Freedom]

[Freedom]

[Master]

Watched all this on sky news which basically is advertising the fight at every opportunity. The whole channel is a walking advertisement for the box office ppv event.

[Kirkland Laing]

Ever since he got humiliated by Sanders he's been safety first and risk averse. Top of the list in this fight for him is not getting sparked and going out like that. The question is if in 2017 he's still got enough jab and grab skills left to keep Joshua away from his chin till the later rounds. Maybe Joshua will be able to get past that jab and knock him out but I have a feeling Junior will have enough left to bore his way through twelve rounds. I can actually see him being happy with a points loss and maybe a rematch down the line but Joshua may struggle to do the distance. It's actually quite a decent fight. I can't believe I'm looking forward to watching another Junior fight.

OH NO a shocking KO loss in his career.....Why he's the first....AND ONLY heavyweight for that to ever happen to!!!!!


Risk averse? He fought Sam Peter AFTER losing to Sanders and Brewster when he was likewise in a place of WIN or RETIRE...but no no, he's "risk averse" .....and even if you mean IN THE RING ....my God the fucking tragedy that is attempting NOT to get punched in the head.




Are you certain you're not retarded? Fucking Hell, you're missing a good opportunity if you aren't

Peter was a short fat slow plodder. He looked like one of those morbidly obese people they have to knock a wall down for and use a crane to get them out of their house. Or as you call them in America, an XL.

And Junior was humiliated. Stumbling round the ring, up and down like a whore's drawers. Let's enjoy that fight again.

[El Kabong]

Peter was a short fat slow plodder. He looked like one of those morbidly obese people they have to knock a wall down for and use a crane to get them out of their house. Or as you call them in America, an XL.

And Junior was humiliated. Stumbling round the ring, up and down like a whore's drawers. Let's enjoy that fight again.

Ahhhhh revisionist history, your specialty...



Such slow, such plodding...gee I wonder why people had Sam Peter as a favorite in that fight.....nah he was what did you call him....oh yeah


morbidly obese


Not "fat", not "out of shape", not "rotund"......morbidly obese.


You're a fucking joke son, 243 and he's "morbidly obese".....fucking JOKE

[Freedom]

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[ryanman]

McCraken is a proper trainer ain't he?