UK general election

[walrus]

Looking at Labours list (that Beanz posted), most of those things seem quite good and sensible things.

The problem, for me anyway, is that all those things cost billions and billions of pounds. Where's the money going to come from?

Labour have usually been a 'spending' government and that's the beauty of alternating governments because the Tories traditionally cut spending.

Both either spend or cut too much, so regular government changes tend to mean we get about the right amount of spending v cuts.

Ive never quite forgiven Gordon Brown for ruining all our pensions and selling all our gold reserves at their lowest value to fund his spending promises.

It's true X. It would be great to see everyone be equal although greed would not allow that anyway but is it governments job to do this? How big do these deficits go and how much do these programs feed the government as well as have people become over reliant on the entity. 20 trillion dollars is what we have racked up doing that. We borrow 100,000 dollars every minute and there is no end to these social programs. Men are not angels so they need government but the government should be limited because men are not angels. So said James Madison anyway. I payed 8,000 dollars in deductions on one job plus sales tax, plus property tax, plus car tax, plus capital gains, plus sales tax and my wife makes much more than me. We probably paid 25,000 in taxes if not more. What the fuck? I don't mind paying my share but I'm middle class. It becomes harder and harder to maintain. One crisis can wipe u out

[Gandalf]

Thing is everything Corbyn suggests is accounted for financially. It's simply about reversing the grotesque giveaways to the rich that the Tories brought in. The debt has doubled under the Tories as a result. They have no vision beyond giving their mates things in the here and now. In the long run this is devastating as no money is put into research or long term sustainability. You see it with Brexit, they obviously do not understand what they are doing and I say that as a pro Brexit person. You have dunces in control of areas of life that are incredibly sensitive and important.

All this 'Who will pay for it?' stuff is simple and it isn't the ordinary bloke working 40 hours a week for 1500 pounds a month nor the disabled this time. It's who should have been paying all along. The corporations, the tax scammer, the rich, the dead, etc.

[walrus]

Thing is everything Corbyn suggests is accounted for financially. It's simply about reversing the grotesque giveaways to the rich that the Tories brought in. The debt has doubled under the Tories as a result. They have no vision beyond giving their mates things in the here and now. In the long run this is devastating as no money is put into research or long term sustainability. You see it with Brexit, they obviously do not understand what they are doing and I say that as a pro Brexit person. You have dunces in control of areas of life that are incredibly sensitive and important.

All this 'Who will pay for it?' stuff is simple and it isn't the ordinary bloke working 40 hours a week for 1500 pounds a month nor the disabled this time. It's who should have been paying all along. The corporations, the tax scammer, the rich, the dead, etc.

And then more businesses leave or fold, more people out of work and the situation gets worse. Just as it always does. Corporations aren't evil, they employ millions of people

[Gandalf]

Thing is everything Corbyn suggests is accounted for financially. It's simply about reversing the grotesque giveaways to the rich that the Tories brought in. The debt has doubled under the Tories as a result. They have no vision beyond giving their mates things in the here and now. In the long run this is devastating as no money is put into research or long term sustainability. You see it with Brexit, they obviously do not understand what they are doing and I say that as a pro Brexit person. You have dunces in control of areas of life that are incredibly sensitive and important.

All this 'Who will pay for it?' stuff is simple and it isn't the ordinary bloke working 40 hours a week for 1500 pounds a month nor the disabled this time. It's who should have been paying all along. The corporations, the tax scammer, the rich, the dead, etc.

And then more businesses leave or fold, more people out of work and the situation gets worse. Just as it always does. Corporations aren't evil, they employ millions of people

That's complete nonsense. The likes of Amazon for instance a) do not pay their taxes and b) hire people on the lowest terms and conditions possible. If they don't like it, they should piss off. Same with companies like Starbucks and McDonalds. They are bad for your health, have no respect for the country or the workers. Just get rid of them. Replace them with something local that will circulate money rather than siphoning it off and be better for you. Time for change.

[walrus]

Thing is everything Corbyn suggests is accounted for financially. It's simply about reversing the grotesque giveaways to the rich that the Tories brought in. The debt has doubled under the Tories as a result. They have no vision beyond giving their mates things in the here and now. In the long run this is devastating as no money is put into research or long term sustainability. You see it with Brexit, they obviously do not understand what they are doing and I say that as a pro Brexit person. You have dunces in control of areas of life that are incredibly sensitive and important.

All this 'Who will pay for it?' stuff is simple and it isn't the ordinary bloke working 40 hours a week for 1500 pounds a month nor the disabled this time. It's who should have been paying all along. The corporations, the tax scammer, the rich, the dead, etc.

And then more businesses leave or fold, more people out of work and the situation gets worse. Just as it always does. Corporations aren't evil, they employ millions of people

That's complete nonsense. The likes of Amazon for instance a) do not pay their taxes and b) hire people on the lowest terms and conditions possible. If they don't like it, they should piss off. Same with companies like Starbucks and McDonalds. They are bad for your health, have no respect for the country or the workers. Just get rid of them. Replace them with something local that will circulate money rather than siphoning it off and be better for you. Time for change.

Amazon pays well, McDonalds is a first job for millions of Americans. Most McDonald's are independently owned operating on single didget percents of profits. Every time a company buys something they pay tax. They pay taxes on real estate ssi, workers comp. it's a myth that companies don't pay tax dreamed up by the left. Five thousand dollars invested in amazon in 1997 would be worth a million today. Eighty percent of Americans have 401ks based in the stock market. These evil companies have made many wealthy and provide retirement via stocks. Your views are idealistic but not based in reality. States in America where they have low business taxes is where companies flock to as they make massive exodus from the high tax state. The one percent pay 80 percent of out tax bills

[walrus]

@Gandalf please tell us about corruption at the highest levels of government in South Korea

[brocktonblockbust]

he has been mesmerized by pseudointellectuals like ................bwakakakaka......Noam Chomsky BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Gandalf]

@Gandalf please tell us about corruption at the highest levels of government in South Korea

It's no different to what goes on in your or my own country. All I will say is that Moon Jae In would be a welcome next President, though I actually prefer a woman from one of the smaller parties, but she has little chance of being elected.

[Gandalf]

Thing is everything Corbyn suggests is accounted for financially. It's simply about reversing the grotesque giveaways to the rich that the Tories brought in. The debt has doubled under the Tories as a result. They have no vision beyond giving their mates things in the here and now. In the long run this is devastating as no money is put into research or long term sustainability. You see it with Brexit, they obviously do not understand what they are doing and I say that as a pro Brexit person. You have dunces in control of areas of life that are incredibly sensitive and important.

All this 'Who will pay for it?' stuff is simple and it isn't the ordinary bloke working 40 hours a week for 1500 pounds a month nor the disabled this time. It's who should have been paying all along. The corporations, the tax scammer, the rich, the dead, etc.

And then more businesses leave or fold, more people out of work and the situation gets worse. Just as it always does. Corporations aren't evil, they employ millions of people

That's complete nonsense. The likes of Amazon for instance a) do not pay their taxes and b) hire people on the lowest terms and conditions possible. If they don't like it, they should piss off. Same with companies like Starbucks and McDonalds. They are bad for your health, have no respect for the country or the workers. Just get rid of them. Replace them with something local that will circulate money rather than siphoning it off and be better for you. Time for change.

Amazon pays well, McDonalds is a first job for millions of Americans. Most McDonald's are independently owned operating on single didget percents of profits. Every time a company buys something they pay tax. They pay taxes on real estate ssi, workers comp. it's a myth that companies don't pay tax dreamed up by the left. Five thousand dollars invested in amazon in 1997 would be worth a million today. Eighty percent of Americans have 401ks based in the stock market. These evil companies have made many wealthy and provide retirement via stocks. Your views are idealistic but not based in reality. States in America where they have low business taxes is where companies flock to as they make massive exodus from the high tax state. The one percent pay 80 percent of out tax bills

Amazon does not pay well. They treat their workers like cattle. They along with the likes of Starbucks use loopholes to avoid paying their share. You likely pay proportionally more in tax than they do. Yet still corporation taxes go down and it's still not good enough for them. Tax them and give the money back. They come into countries expecting it all. It should be much tougher. Trumps latest brain fart will inevitably make inequality even worse. They don't care. Literally letting the swamp flow into the cities now.

[Gandalf]

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...tish-warehouse

In fact I would go further and say they are quite evil. Oh, but as long as the shareowners are happy I suppose everything is fine with the system. Corbyn wants to break all of this.