Some cultures are better than others ? True, False, Impossible to answer conclusively

[Beanz]

Lyle you are your own worst enemy. You spend every waking hour posting other people's opinions from your little media echo chamber and then wonder why people wonder when you are going to come up with an opinion of your own.


The one thing i hope we can agree on is that you should always hold at arms length and with deep suspicion anyone who claims to be certain about anything. The extremist so blinded by the exclusion of anything that dims his divine light, he is willing to eclipse the lives of others in order to gain his own seat in the best post death show in the Universe. This is not something inextricably wedded to one culture. To believe so is to wish for oneself a world as simple as that which only the self righteous chosen one can just avoid difficult questions by damning everyone not as blinkered as him into the darkness of an eternal death.


Religion has a lot to answer for but atheism and secular society are not devoid of a thirst for death and war on a huge scale also. You are the one who suggested that some cultures are better than others and so I have patiently awaited for even the most simple definition of what you are referring to when you say culture?

Are you saying Christian versus Islamic Culture?

I am quite aware that calling out the ignorant hate preachers within some Islamic cultures has been lazily labelled as Islamaphobic by many apologists on the left, and that the ludicrous contortionism employed by many commentators to appease these intellectual belly dragging thugs goes beyond the pale. That though in itself does not lead me to believe that Islamic Culture on the whole appropriates these attitudes wholesale or that Christian culture is somehow exemplified by tolerance, clear thinking and compassion.

These are huge assumptions to make and you have to narrow everything down to such arbitary measures that one ends up willingly blinding oneself to so many aspects of culture, behaviour, morals and tradition that you risk shuffling yourself further down the see saw in order to try and counterbalance somebody intent on occupying the furthest opposite end.

The lens of your geographic upbringing, multicultural genes and evolving morality means that even being able to define your own culture is doomed to failure. There are no simple answers.

If you are going to support your claim you have to make a list and put cultures in order from top to bottom. The variables are huge and cherry picking horrendous aspects practiced by individuals, groups, sect, regions, countries even is still not going to reflect Islamic Culture any more than comparing finite aspects of Christian or secular culture would do the same.

It is an assertion that is impossible to answer conclusively.


That of course is just my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

[El Kabong]

1. Lyle you are your own worst enemy. You spend every waking hour posting other people's opinions from your little media echo chamber and then wonder why people wonder when you are going to come up with an opinion of your own.


2. The one thing i hope we can agree on is that you should always hold at arms length and with deep suspicion anyone who claims to be certain about anything. The extremist so blinded by the exclusion of anything that dims his divine light, he is willing to eclipse the lives of others in order to gain his own seat in the best post death show in the Universe. This is not something inextricably wedded to one culture. To believe so is to wish for oneself a world as simple as that which only the self righteous chosen one can just avoid difficult questions by damning everyone not as blinkered as him into the darkness of an eternal death.


3. Religion has a lot to answer for but atheism and secular society are not devoid of a thirst for death and war on a huge scale also. You are the one who suggested that some cultures are better than others and so I have patiently awaited for even the most simple definition of what you are referring to when you say culture?

4. Are you saying Christian versus Islamic Culture?

5. I am quite aware that calling out the ignorant hate preachers within some Islamic cultures has been lazily labelled as Islamaphobic by many apologists on the left, and that the ludicrous contortionism employed by many commentators to appease these intellectual belly dragging thugs goes beyond the pale. That though in itself does not lead me to believe that Islamic Culture on the whole appropriates these attitudes wholesale or that Christian culture is somehow exemplified by tolerance, clear thinking and compassion.

6. These are huge assumptions to make and you have to narrow everything down to such arbitary measures that one ends up willingly blinding oneself to so many aspects of culture, behaviour, morals and tradition that you risk shuffling yourself further down the see saw in order to try and counterbalance somebody intent on occupying the furthest opposite end.

7. The lens of your geographic upbringing, multicultural genes and evolving morality means that even being able to define your own culture is doomed to failure. There are no simple answers.

8. If you are going to support your claim you have to make a list and put cultures in order from top to bottom. The variables are huge and cherry picking horrendous aspects practiced by individuals, groups, sect, regions, countries even is still not going to reflect Islamic Culture any more than comparing finite aspects of Christian or secular culture would do the same.

9. It is an assertion that is impossible to answer conclusively.


That of course is just my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

1. That's not a rebuttal, that's an attack on my character...many thanks for that, AGAIN


2. Again, not a rebuttal, it's more along the lines of you throwing the debate entirely 'Well, we can't know for CERTAIN'....oh, we can't? I know FOR CERTAIN that in Western Culture in general spousal abuse is NOT accepted...it happens it's just NOT accepted but in ISLAMIC cultures spousal abuse is CELEBRATED, it's not just accepted as "Hey that happens" no it's fucking celebrated!

3. Culture consists of the beliefs, behaviors, objects, and other characteristics common to the members of a particular group or society. Through culture, people and groups define themselves, conform to society's shared values, and contribute to society.....that's from Google, it's pretty basic, fairly simple stuff to find.

4. I'm saying Western Culture (ie the Cultures of the Western hemisphere) are better, more humane, more advanced than the cultures of the Middle East/Islamic Nations. For example in the West Women can drive and women can work, in Saudi Arabia women cannot drive and IF women work the money they earn goes to their husbands...those are CULTURAL DIFFERENCES and you apparently are all 'How can you tell which one is better?!?!?!'

5. Many a research poll has been done and found that PLENTY of Muslims regardless of country, even in the West believe in suicide bombing, death to apostates (those who leave Islam), death to those who slander the Prophet, Sharia Law, and Female Genital Mutilation......but hey I am 1 BILLION % CERTAIN that similar feelings are found in your average Westerner right Beanz?

6. I don't make assumptions, I've backed up all of my arguments with facts and evidence, but I guess when you Tut Tut everything I post then there is no evidence because you put your blinders up and don't see it and therefore you never address it, NEVER!

7. What are you even getting at here?

8. I've made my claims Beanz and you pull this same bullshit every fucking time delay, deny, change the subject....how's about YOU fucking get your ass in gear and tell us why all cultures are equal OR you make the argument that 'we can never know which cultures are better or worse'......I can fucking tell you right now that here in America we don't do human sacrifice the way the Aztecs did, want to bring that kind of thing back Beanz do you? I mean if that culture is equal to our culture now why the fuck not bring that back?

9. Yes and in a debate you provide an argument for your assertion, so do that and quit delaying, holy fuck what page are we on here and I'm waiting for you to actually debate as you promised you would.

[Beanz]

Have you lost the ability to even have a conversation Lyle?. Just pages of epic butthurt and looking up Google and youtube ain't going to cut it.

You are not going to get me to get on the floor and jabber like a simpleton in order to make you feel like the big man. You are a fucking control freak. Numbered Points? Why are you so afraid of educating yourself? go and get it out of your system.

You are using examples like Saudi Arabia and the time of the Aztecs to make Western Culture, by which you mean Americay the top dog. It's beyond childish. I don't want to hold you in disdain but you don't even get in the door. You can keep knocking but any amount of expensive cigars and wines are never going to be a substitute for a small amount of common sense.


Grow up

[El Kabong]

Have you lost the ability to even have a conversation Lyle?. Just pages of epic butthurt and looking up Google and youtube ain't going to cut it.

You are not going to get me to get on the floor and jabber like a simpleton in order to make you feel like the big man. You are a fucking control freak. Numbered Points? Why are you so afraid of educating yourself? go and get it out of your system.

You are using examples like Saudi Arabia and the time of the Aztecs to make Western Culture, by which you mean Americay the top dog. It's beyond childish. I don't want to hold you in disdain but you don't even get in the door. You can keep knocking but any amount of expensive cigars and wines are never going to be a substitute for a small amount of common sense.


Grow up

You didn't start this thread for conversation you started it for debate of which I'm supplying the entire portion. Again that ain't a rebuttal it's a personal attack, thank you.

Not a rebuttal, personal attack...numbered so that you could follow along and not get lost, again thank you.

They are cultures which I'm saying that the west is better than AND this is the funny part, THAT'S MY ENTIRE SIDE OF THE DEBATE! "You're using other cultures to make your culture look better"....well my argument IS literally 'some cultures are better than others' soooo thanks for telling me that even you think I'm winning I guess.


Grow up? You are retarded.