UK general election

[Beanz]

£350 million pound for the NHS

Nigel Farage backtracks on Leave campaign's '£350m for the NHS' pledge hours after result | The Independent

We will have the same benefits outside of the EU

Brexit Secretary David Davis admits deal with 'exact same benefits' is not a promise | The Independent


The EU needs us more than we need them

Eurozone economy overtakes UK as France and Germany accelerate

Low skilled Immigrants are taking our jobs


https://infacts.org/migration-stats-...kills-welfare/

We will trade under WTO rules

World Trade Organisation FORBIDS Brexit deals unless 163 nations agree | World | News | Express.co.uk




Do you want me to carry on?

We will be put in front of the EU by countries like America...blah dee blah

Seems to me like a lot of sour grapes....Farage promised nothing, the LEAVE campaign may have made a promise, but Farage himself....I've looked, I've searched, I've only hear him say basically 'the money spent on the EU could now be spent in England'.....now sure the Brexit/Leave campaign could toss out a few adverts like "Hey we can add all of this money to the NHS" because some people really love the NHS and perhaps some of that 350m would get there, the point of the argument would be 'This money is going to the EU why the fuck is that a great thing? We've got stuff at home we need to fix and our money is off to Brussels'

The EU economy may look good now, but France is in the middle of an election (and their employment rates ain't all that great), Italy is a constant under performer, Germany is the engine but with all this immigration you're going to see a bunch of changes there in terms of production value, wages, etc.

As for the WTO so England is going to be strong armed by the EU and WTO? I'm not certain if that will actually be the case, but ooooh what Mafioso style tactics by those folks....it's a good thing that England and the United States have a good relationship, do you think we'll let England twist in the wind? Do you think we'd allow that? Also, I thought England was a nation that made it's own way.....I guess that fight, that leadership, that tenacity is gone from England, maybe you guys do need the EU, maybe you do need a nurse to take care of the old lion that is England.....it's as if you've suffered a stroke and are just helpless and weak and you need that aid that a group like the EU provides.....that's a shame, how the mighty have fallen

You can't even tell the difference between Britain and England so wtf would you know about Europe? Fuck America, want nothing to do with it. It has gradually ruined the world.

[brocktonblockbust]

£350 million pound for the NHS

Nigel Farage backtracks on Leave campaign's '£350m for the NHS' pledge hours after result | The Independent

We will have the same benefits outside of the EU

Brexit Secretary David Davis admits deal with 'exact same benefits' is not a promise | The Independent


The EU needs us more than we need them

Eurozone economy overtakes UK as France and Germany accelerate

Low skilled Immigrants are taking our jobs


https://infacts.org/migration-stats-...kills-welfare/

We will trade under WTO rules

World Trade Organisation FORBIDS Brexit deals unless 163 nations agree | World | News | Express.co.uk




Do you want me to carry on?

We will be put in front of the EU by countries like America...blah dee blah

Seems to me like a lot of sour grapes....Farage promised nothing, the LEAVE campaign may have made a promise, but Farage himself....I've looked, I've searched, I've only hear him say basically 'the money spent on the EU could now be spent in England'.....now sure the Brexit/Leave campaign could toss out a few adverts like "Hey we can add all of this money to the NHS" because some people really love the NHS and perhaps some of that 350m would get there, the point of the argument would be 'This money is going to the EU why the fuck is that a great thing? We've got stuff at home we need to fix and our money is off to Brussels'

The EU economy may look good now, but France is in the middle of an election (and their employment rates ain't all that great), Italy is a constant under performer, Germany is the engine but with all this immigration you're going to see a bunch of changes there in terms of production value, wages, etc.

As for the WTO so England is going to be strong armed by the EU and WTO? I'm not certain if that will actually be the case, but ooooh what Mafioso style tactics by those folks....it's a good thing that England and the United States have a good relationship, do you think we'll let England twist in the wind? Do you think we'd allow that? Also, I thought England was a nation that made it's own way.....I guess that fight, that leadership, that tenacity is gone from England, maybe you guys do need the EU, maybe you do need a nurse to take care of the old lion that is England.....it's as if you've suffered a stroke and are just helpless and weak and you need that aid that a group like the EU provides.....that's a shame, how the mighty have fallen

You can't even tell the difference between Britain and England so wtf would you know about Europe? Fuck America, want nothing to do with it. It has gradually ruined the world.

Your ass wouldn't know what to do with America if and when you ever visited here.

[brocktonblockbust]

£350 million pound for the NHS

Nigel Farage backtracks on Leave campaign's '£350m for the NHS' pledge hours after result | The Independent

We will have the same benefits outside of the EU

Brexit Secretary David Davis admits deal with 'exact same benefits' is not a promise | The Independent


The EU needs us more than we need them

Eurozone economy overtakes UK as France and Germany accelerate

Low skilled Immigrants are taking our jobs


https://infacts.org/migration-stats-...kills-welfare/

We will trade under WTO rules

World Trade Organisation FORBIDS Brexit deals unless 163 nations agree | World | News | Express.co.uk




Do you want me to carry on?

We will be put in front of the EU by countries like America...blah dee blah

Seems to me like a lot of sour grapes....Farage promised nothing, the LEAVE campaign may have made a promise, but Farage himself....I've looked, I've searched, I've only hear him say basically 'the money spent on the EU could now be spent in England'.....now sure the Brexit/Leave campaign could toss out a few adverts like "Hey we can add all of this money to the NHS" because some people really love the NHS and perhaps some of that 350m would get there, the point of the argument would be 'This money is going to the EU why the fuck is that a great thing? We've got stuff at home we need to fix and our money is off to Brussels'

The EU economy may look good now, but France is in the middle of an election (and their employment rates ain't all that great), Italy is a constant under performer, Germany is the engine but with all this immigration you're going to see a bunch of changes there in terms of production value, wages, etc.

As for the WTO so England is going to be strong armed by the EU and WTO? I'm not certain if that will actually be the case, but ooooh what Mafioso style tactics by those folks....it's a good thing that England and the United States have a good relationship, do you think we'll let England twist in the wind? Do you think we'd allow that? Also, I thought England was a nation that made it's own way.....I guess that fight, that leadership, that tenacity is gone from England, maybe you guys do need the EU, maybe you do need a nurse to take care of the old lion that is England.....it's as if you've suffered a stroke and are just helpless and weak and you need that aid that a group like the EU provides.....that's a shame, how the mighty have fallen

You can't even tell the difference between Britain and England so wtf would you know about Europe? Fuck America, want nothing to do with it. It has gradually ruined the world.

Your ass wouldn't know what to do with America if and when you ever visited here.

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[El Kabong]

You can't even tell the difference between Britain and England so wtf would you know about Europe? Fuck America, want nothing to do with it. It has gradually ruined the world.

Gradually ruined the world you say?

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......you couldn't be MORE wrong if you fucking tried, but yes please continue with your lecture Professor Know It All



No wonder you don't fucking debate. A little free advice, don't think.... it weakens the nation

[Gandalf]

America has ruined the world. Ask Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Afghanistan what they think. Ask the people bankrupt because they got cancer, ask the students in mountains of debt. Ask Korea which has now lost trade with China pursuing the new US bogey man of North Korea. The hubris, the arrogance of a deplorable group of the worlds populace. Half of them cannot even see their toes. Now ask Britain who is reeling from 40 years of neo liberalism. Count the US debt and marvel at the interest rates. Ruined itself too. Time for a new age.

[brocktonblockbust]

what age would that be Miles, hmmm? The age of "ANTIFA"? The age of #BLM? The age of Pocahontas? What age? The age of Jeremy?

[Gandalf]

what age would that be Miles, hmmm? The age of "ANTIFA"? The age of #BLM? The age of Pocahontas? What age? The age of Jeremy?

81 regime changes since WW2 and you want to talk about BLM? A new age where people are treated with dignity and respect.

[brocktonblockbust]

what age would that be Miles, hmmm? The age of "ANTIFA"? The age of #BLM? The age of Pocahontas? What age? The age of Jeremy?

81 regime changes since WW2 and you want to talk about BLM? A new age where people are treated with dignity and respect.

and "who" specifically would treat "whom" specifically with respect? And how, exactly, and when? Any specifics, or just vague generalizations again?

[Gandalf]

what age would that be Miles, hmmm? The age of "ANTIFA"? The age of #BLM? The age of Pocahontas? What age? The age of Jeremy?

81 regime changes since WW2 and you want to talk about BLM? A new age where people are treated with dignity and respect.

and "who" specifically would treat "whom" specifically with respect? And how, exactly, and when? Any specifics, or just vague generalizations again?

You know, none of this is very complicated and for a time after WW2 the West really seemed to be 'getting it'. It wasn't perfect, but a lot of progress was made. Most of it is really about the common sense things Corbyn advocates that were the norm in the post WW2 consensus years. Things like a free health care system, a redistributive taxation system, equality of opportunity meaning everyone has access to quality education, workers rights and greater job security. These are things that help stimulate and grow a country. Mental health illness is now an epidemic and it is because people are fed up and miserable. The trick has always been to deflect and divert. It's your fault. It's the immigrants fault. It's the nurses fault. It's the teachers fault. It's never the bankers. It's never the Tories.

The fact is that neo liberalism has failed. It resulted in finance being deregulated thus leading to bigger crashes and greater inequality. It resulted in health care being under funded and privatised. It resulted in the rich doubling their wealth with tax cuts while the poor saw increases in VAT and wages that have fallen over a decade. It has led to an education system where those with private schooling end up with all of the decent jobs. In all areas the system has broken or fallen and it is because the common sense policies that worked have been disgarded.

To cap it all you end up with people who FAILED in their jobs walking into jobs that pay a fortune despite them having no qualifications or experience. Hello Mr Osborne. This is the system of cronyism and nepotism. The trick is to pretend that the elections make a difference. That is why Corbyn is such a threat. This time it actually does make a difference.

[Beanz]

It is quite obvious that Lyle and Brockton are arguing for a continuation and are both anti-change. They are explicitly expressing a belief in the continuation of the team America world police model as espoused by Bill Clinton, both Bush Sr and Jr, Obama and now in an unbroken line by Trump. This extends to their condescending attitude to Europe, Britain and all the other posters on the forum who refuse to drink their Kool aid.

[Gandalf]

[El Kabong]

America has ruined the world. Ask Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Afghanistan what they think. Ask the people bankrupt because they got cancer, ask the students in mountains of debt. Ask Korea which has now lost trade with China pursuing the new US bogey man of North Korea. The hubris, the arrogance of a deplorable group of the worlds populace. Half of them cannot even see their toes. Now ask Britain who is reeling from 40 years of neo liberalism. Count the US debt and marvel at the interest rates. Ruined itself too. Time for a new age.

Ask Iraqis how awesome Saddam was, ask Libyans how great Gaddhaffi was....I don't always support regime changes, in fact I think unless you're at war with someone and have beaten them into submission that's the ONLY time you should even attempt choosing a leader for a group of people and in that case it should only be a temporary thing in order for the defeated party to form a new government. But hey, I'm just 1 American citizen I don't decide the foreign policy of my government.

People with Cancer should get free treatment then? What about people with other deadly diseases? Should those be free as well? Where does that kind of thinking leave us? Nobody FORCES students to go to college and get in debt that is a CHOICE.

81 regime changes since WW2 and you want to talk about BLM? A new age where people are treated with dignity and respect.

All bad? 100% of them the US was on the wrong side? Every single time?

It is quite obvious that Lyle and Brockton are arguing for a continuation and are both anti-change. They are explicitly expressing a belief in the continuation of the team America world police model as espoused by Bill Clinton, both Bush Sr and Jr, Obama and now in an unbroken line by Trump. This extends to their condescending attitude to Europe, Britain and all the other posters on the forum who refuse to drink their Kool aid.

Not in the slightest actually. I'd rather Trump do what he said he was going to do and put America first. Trump has so far done ok in terms of foreign interventions only getting stuck in when apparently chemical weapons were used in Syria and the reason he got stuck in there was because Barack Obama gave the "red line" statement on chemical weapons and Assad apparently called his bluff, Trump reacted with some cruise missiles because he wanted to make a point that what happened was unacceptable and to me, that's ok, it's far better than boots on the ground. I'd rather America NOT be the "World Police" but honestly the rest of the Allied forces have turned into a bunch of whiny pussies. My condescending attitude isn't toward Europe it's toward smug ass lefties who assume Communism and Socialism are the greatest things ever when those things have been tried and they lead to things like millions of Ukrainians dying of starvation in the middle of peacetime with no drought or famine and ditto for millions of Chinese under Mao....but PLEASE try again, because this time it'll work


I want America to be America, other sovereign nations to have their boundaries and cultures and live and let live....but there's a little problem with that mentality the LEFT and Militant Islamism won't be happy until everything is as they want it to be. But some people don't see this, they're blind to it and they need to take the red pill very soon.