UK general election

[Gandalf]

America has ruined the world. Ask Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Afghanistan what they think. Ask the people bankrupt because they got cancer, ask the students in mountains of debt. Ask Korea which has now lost trade with China pursuing the new US bogey man of North Korea. The hubris, the arrogance of a deplorable group of the worlds populace. Half of them cannot even see their toes. Now ask Britain who is reeling from 40 years of neo liberalism. Count the US debt and marvel at the interest rates. Ruined itself too. Time for a new age.

[brocktonblockbust]

what age would that be Miles, hmmm? The age of "ANTIFA"? The age of #BLM? The age of Pocahontas? What age? The age of Jeremy?

[Gandalf]

what age would that be Miles, hmmm? The age of "ANTIFA"? The age of #BLM? The age of Pocahontas? What age? The age of Jeremy?

81 regime changes since WW2 and you want to talk about BLM? A new age where people are treated with dignity and respect.

[brocktonblockbust]

what age would that be Miles, hmmm? The age of "ANTIFA"? The age of #BLM? The age of Pocahontas? What age? The age of Jeremy?

81 regime changes since WW2 and you want to talk about BLM? A new age where people are treated with dignity and respect.

and "who" specifically would treat "whom" specifically with respect? And how, exactly, and when? Any specifics, or just vague generalizations again?

[Gandalf]

what age would that be Miles, hmmm? The age of "ANTIFA"? The age of #BLM? The age of Pocahontas? What age? The age of Jeremy?

81 regime changes since WW2 and you want to talk about BLM? A new age where people are treated with dignity and respect.

and "who" specifically would treat "whom" specifically with respect? And how, exactly, and when? Any specifics, or just vague generalizations again?

You know, none of this is very complicated and for a time after WW2 the West really seemed to be 'getting it'. It wasn't perfect, but a lot of progress was made. Most of it is really about the common sense things Corbyn advocates that were the norm in the post WW2 consensus years. Things like a free health care system, a redistributive taxation system, equality of opportunity meaning everyone has access to quality education, workers rights and greater job security. These are things that help stimulate and grow a country. Mental health illness is now an epidemic and it is because people are fed up and miserable. The trick has always been to deflect and divert. It's your fault. It's the immigrants fault. It's the nurses fault. It's the teachers fault. It's never the bankers. It's never the Tories.

The fact is that neo liberalism has failed. It resulted in finance being deregulated thus leading to bigger crashes and greater inequality. It resulted in health care being under funded and privatised. It resulted in the rich doubling their wealth with tax cuts while the poor saw increases in VAT and wages that have fallen over a decade. It has led to an education system where those with private schooling end up with all of the decent jobs. In all areas the system has broken or fallen and it is because the common sense policies that worked have been disgarded.

To cap it all you end up with people who FAILED in their jobs walking into jobs that pay a fortune despite them having no qualifications or experience. Hello Mr Osborne. This is the system of cronyism and nepotism. The trick is to pretend that the elections make a difference. That is why Corbyn is such a threat. This time it actually does make a difference.

[Beanz]

It is quite obvious that Lyle and Brockton are arguing for a continuation and are both anti-change. They are explicitly expressing a belief in the continuation of the team America world police model as espoused by Bill Clinton, both Bush Sr and Jr, Obama and now in an unbroken line by Trump. This extends to their condescending attitude to Europe, Britain and all the other posters on the forum who refuse to drink their Kool aid.

[Gandalf]

[brocktonblockbust]

It is very clear that beinzie boy and Gandalf are both judgingd Donald Trump to be a warmonger when in fact he has not done anything yet to show that. That's the thing about reactionary liberalism. You lefties are quick to judge they guy has only been in for a hundred some odd days. How do you know what his strategy is? He is a businessman he is not a politician he knows how to negotiate he knows how to Bluff he knows how to feign and feint. You're judging a career businessman who wrote The Art of the Deal and who comes from New York City New York the same way you are judging career politicians like Bill Clinton and Jeremy corbyn. You are jumping the gun in your zeal.

Jumping the gun just like everybody did the minute he said he was going to run for president. Oh he is another adolfl Hitler. Oh he is a member of the KKK. Oh he is working with Russia. The nonsense goes on and on ....oh he is an abuser of women. Oh he hates children. Oh He doesn't know how to read.

So quick to judge, you reactionary Lefty liberals. It's in your culture it's in your nature you watch TV shows from Britain and all the people do is tear each other down left and right tear each other down tear each other down. Your culture is built on tearing each other down. Your culture is built on tearing down anybody who has a little bit of chutzpah or who has a little bit of self-confidence or bravado... your culture is just built on tearing down people like that. It's like crabs in a barrel syndrome.

[El Kabong]

America has ruined the world. Ask Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Afghanistan what they think. Ask the people bankrupt because they got cancer, ask the students in mountains of debt. Ask Korea which has now lost trade with China pursuing the new US bogey man of North Korea. The hubris, the arrogance of a deplorable group of the worlds populace. Half of them cannot even see their toes. Now ask Britain who is reeling from 40 years of neo liberalism. Count the US debt and marvel at the interest rates. Ruined itself too. Time for a new age.

Ask Iraqis how awesome Saddam was, ask Libyans how great Gaddhaffi was....I don't always support regime changes, in fact I think unless you're at war with someone and have beaten them into submission that's the ONLY time you should even attempt choosing a leader for a group of people and in that case it should only be a temporary thing in order for the defeated party to form a new government. But hey, I'm just 1 American citizen I don't decide the foreign policy of my government.

People with Cancer should get free treatment then? What about people with other deadly diseases? Should those be free as well? Where does that kind of thinking leave us? Nobody FORCES students to go to college and get in debt that is a CHOICE.

81 regime changes since WW2 and you want to talk about BLM? A new age where people are treated with dignity and respect.

All bad? 100% of them the US was on the wrong side? Every single time?

It is quite obvious that Lyle and Brockton are arguing for a continuation and are both anti-change. They are explicitly expressing a belief in the continuation of the team America world police model as espoused by Bill Clinton, both Bush Sr and Jr, Obama and now in an unbroken line by Trump. This extends to their condescending attitude to Europe, Britain and all the other posters on the forum who refuse to drink their Kool aid.

Not in the slightest actually. I'd rather Trump do what he said he was going to do and put America first. Trump has so far done ok in terms of foreign interventions only getting stuck in when apparently chemical weapons were used in Syria and the reason he got stuck in there was because Barack Obama gave the "red line" statement on chemical weapons and Assad apparently called his bluff, Trump reacted with some cruise missiles because he wanted to make a point that what happened was unacceptable and to me, that's ok, it's far better than boots on the ground. I'd rather America NOT be the "World Police" but honestly the rest of the Allied forces have turned into a bunch of whiny pussies. My condescending attitude isn't toward Europe it's toward smug ass lefties who assume Communism and Socialism are the greatest things ever when those things have been tried and they lead to things like millions of Ukrainians dying of starvation in the middle of peacetime with no drought or famine and ditto for millions of Chinese under Mao....but PLEASE try again, because this time it'll work


I want America to be America, other sovereign nations to have their boundaries and cultures and live and let live....but there's a little problem with that mentality the LEFT and Militant Islamism won't be happy until everything is as they want it to be. But some people don't see this, they're blind to it and they need to take the red pill very soon.

[Beanz]

WRONG Lyle. WRONG Brockton. Both your condescending attitudes extends to all Europeans and British in fact even Americans on the board who refuse to toe your line. Everyone is sick of it and the pair of you. This is a thread about the UK election but again it becomes a thread about you two and America and how great Trump is for behaving exactly like every President before him. Yet now you are both silent when previously you could not stop moaning about the same policies with a different face on them. Consistency, neither of you have any. If the allied forces are whiny pussies then break that allegiance, If Europe is so full of cowards ignore it, If we all piss you off so much fuck right off and post somewhere else, nobody needs your negative constant backbiting and bitchy slagging off of anybody who dare express a different opinion.



UK GENERAL ELECTION

[Gandalf]

Well said. People stayed pretty on topic with the US presidential thread and the forum allowed hundreds of whiny Trump threads, so at least have the decency to allow one UK general election thread without it turning into something nonsensical. I get drawn in to easily, but I too want this thread to be about the UK election. It isn't about America, it isn't about Korea, it is about the future of the UK.

[El Kabong]

WRONG Lyle. WRONG Brockton. Both your condescending attitudes extends to all Europeans and British in fact even Americans on the board who refuse to toe your line. Everyone is sick of it and the pair of you. This is a thread about the UK election but again it becomes a thread about you two and America and how great Trump is for behaving exactly like every President before him. Yet now you are both silent when previously you could not stop moaning about the same policies with a different face on them. Consistency, neither of you have any. If the allied forces are whiny pussies then break that allegiance, If Europe is so full of cowards ignore it, If we all piss you off so much fuck right off and post somewhere else, nobody needs your negative constant backbiting and bitchy slagging off of anybody who dare express a different opinion.



UK GENERAL ELECTION

I didn't bring up America or American politics. I'm quite happy to talk about the UK general election and that alone, BUT what happens is YOU @Beanz end up posting things like this which.....bring up America and American politics

Fuck America, want nothing to do with it. It has gradually ruined the world.

.....and my reaction to that is



So if you don't want to talk America or American politics in this thread I'd suggest in an ever so friendly manner that you @Beanz shut the fuck up about America in this thread because it has nothing to do with the UK general election....stay on topic or can't you do that? I know you have trouble with debate and all, but it's laughable the sophomoric horse crap you use to argue your side.