UK general election

[El Kabong]

Lyle a video is not a contribution and nobody but you are in least bit concerned with 'gotcha' moments. Grow up you are contributing nothing, zilch,zero.

It IS a contribution as it shows the ties the Labour Party has to ACTUAL Communism, like fucking marching around praising Stalin Communism....but hey I'm sure your "Well what's wrong with that?" attitude is a massive contribution in your mind.

"Grow up" learn to fucking debate you whiny pussy

[Beanz]

Lyle a video is not a contribution and nobody but you are in least bit concerned with 'gotcha' moments. Grow up you are contributing nothing, zilch,zero.

It IS a contribution as it shows the ties the Labour Party has to ACTUAL Communism, like fucking marching around praising Stalin Communism....but hey I'm sure your "Well what's wrong with that?" attitude is a massive contribution in your mind.

"Grow up" learn to fucking debate you whiny pussy

I don't have to repeatedly go to The Thinkery or Brietbart or anywhere else to tell me what I should think. This is a thread about the UK election not an excuse for you to make it about your own personal crusade against communism. I have TODAY posted 21 policy points published today by the Labour Party as it's promise to workers. Also because it is polling day for many in the local elections HERE IN BRITAIN I have asked people about that. You haven't addressed any of it and have had to resort to calling me a whining pussy. I have marched with Class War, Communists in demonstrations because of you have a common goal then you don't go around and vet everybody taking part to make sure you all agree 100% on everything.


That is the whole point. You have no desire to build consensus so in reality you have never once taken part in a debate for the whole history of Saddo. That is the point from which most people start.


Your entire posting history is one big existential howl. Not me, Not Gandalf, Not Bilbo, the king of the whiners my friend is you.

[El Kabong]

I don't have to repeatedly go to The Thinkery or Brietbart or anywhere else to tell me what I should think. This is a thread about the UK election not an excuse for you to make it about your own personal crusade against communism. I have TODAY posted 21 policy points published today by the Labour Party as it's promise to workers. Also because it is polling day for many in the local elections HERE IN BRITAIN I have asked people about that. You haven't addressed any of it and have had to resort to calling me a whining pussy. I have marched with Class War, Communists in demonstrations because of you have a common goal then you don't go around and vet everybody taking part to make sure you all agree 100% on everything.


That is the whole point. You have no desire to build consensus so in reality you have never once taken part in a debate for the whole history of Saddo. That is the point from which most people start.


Your entire posting history is one big existential howl. Not me, Not Gandalf, Not Bilbo, the king of the whiners my friend is you.

Oh you don't have people tell you what to think, but you assume that I do....why is that? Is it because you don't believe I am capable of forming my own views or is it because you assume that because I use examples which corroborate my stance that my stance is not my own? Or maybe it's because you've neither the capacity nor the balls to debate the actual issues and you'd rather attack me personally, again....I call you a whiny pussy because you ARE a whiny pussy....and hey guess what I formed that idea all on my own reading your claptrap.


Communism is bad full fucking stop.....that you've marched WITH Communists is unsurprising. That you see nothing wrong with Communists is likewise unsurprising. That you are unable or unwilling to actually debate fits with the rest of that narrative. You complain, you offer no solutions, you stand on nothing you stand for nothing, you only stand against. Well here's hoping you and your fucking Communist buddies win out.....I wonder where the peacetime/droughtless famine will hit in the UK? Holomodor, the Great Leap Forward....I guess those were just the "growing pains" of Communism and this time....this time you'll get it right


I've got no desire to build consensus what good is consensus? Groupthink, you want me involved in that? No thank you. What do I get for agreeing with you? You stop bitching for once? I don't believe you're able.


Again, personal attack =/= factual rebuttal.....MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS die under communism FACT. You march alongside the Commies FACT. You are voting for/supporting the mass deaths of your very countrymen by being in favor of Communism FACT. Call me names, but I'm not for murdering my countrymen unlike you

[brocktonblockbust]

How many times Beanz? Just how many times Beanz, does Lyle have to FRY YOUR FAT, JIGGLY BUTT CHEEKS IN SCHMALTZ, b4 u learn? Its getting sad, mate, the way you, like Cotto when he "fought" Canelo, kept getting REEMED UP THE WAZOO.

[brocktonblockbust]

[Beanz]

How many times Beanz? Just how many times Beanz, does Lyle have to FRY YOUR FAT, JIGGLY BUTT CHEEKS IN SCHMALTZ, b4 u learn? Its getting sad, mate, the way you, like Cotto when he "fought" Canelo, kept getting REEMED UP THE WAZOO.

Still nothing to offer then? One could easily draw the conclusion that you are nothing more than a troll with no actual opinions on anything and an investment in nothing more than sowing discord and distracting people from the actual issues affecting them.

[brocktonblockbust]

How many times Beanz? Just how many times Beanz, does Lyle have to FRY YOUR FAT, JIGGLY BUTT CHEEKS IN SCHMALTZ, b4 u learn? Its getting sad, mate, the way you, like Cotto when he "fought" Canelo, kept getting REEMED UP THE WAZOO.

Still nothing to offer then? One could easily draw the conclusion that you are nothing more than a troll with no actual opinions on anything and an investment in nothing more than sowing discord and distracting people from the actual issues affecting them.

Except that you've just described your very own role playing here on this forum. You just cant make this shit up if you tried.

[Gandalf]

Brock you have zero to add to the thread. On that basis maybe it's time for mods to start holding posters who do not add to threads to account. At least Lyle is now semi trying to engage, but you don't and it's all about winding people up. I have read through 3 pages and all you are doing is looking for trouble. Are you bored?

[brocktonblockbust]

Banning unpaid internships is ridiculous. They are UNPAID. YOu are effectively saying someone cannot work for free in order to get some exposure and experience. There Miles...... companies should consider the possibility of work-from-home internship options. The biggest barriers to any unpaid internship are without a doubt (unless you live in the frikkin sticks) rent and transport costs, but many of an intern’s responsibilities could be done from home. Research, website-updating, proof-reading and report-writing need just the internet and a desk, and perhaps one single solitary freaking day at the office.

[Gandalf]

Banning unpaid internships is ridiculous. They are UNPAID. YOu are effectively saying someone cannot work for free in order to get some exposure and experience. There Miles...... companies should consider the possibility of work-from-home internship options. The biggest barriers to any unpaid internship are without a doubt (unless you live in the frikkin sticks) rent and transport costs, but many of an intern’s responsibilities could be done from home. Research, website-updating, proof-reading and report-writing need just the internet and a desk, and perhaps one single solitary freaking day at the office.

Back to the topic of slavery. Unpaid internship is effectively slavery. At least have the decency to pay them something for the time they are giving and throw in a free sandwich for lunch. Talk about a free lunch.

You tell 'em Corbyn. Enough of this neo liberal lunacy. Time to double the wages for the toilet cleaner and half the wages for the executive. If they don't like it they can do what I did. Leave.

[Beanz]

I don't have to repeatedly go to The Thinkery or Brietbart or anywhere else to tell me what I should think. This is a thread about the UK election not an excuse for you to make it about your own personal crusade against communism. I have TODAY posted 21 policy points published today by the Labour Party as it's promise to workers. Also because it is polling day for many in the local elections HERE IN BRITAIN I have asked people about that. You haven't addressed any of it and have had to resort to calling me a whining pussy. I have marched with Class War, Communists in demonstrations because of you have a common goal then you don't go around and vet everybody taking part to make sure you all agree 100% on everything.


That is the whole point. You have no desire to build consensus so in reality you have never once taken part in a debate for the whole history of Saddo. That is the point from which most people start.


Your entire posting history is one big existential howl. Not me, Not Gandalf, Not Bilbo, the king of the whiners my friend is you.

Oh you don't have people tell you what to think, but you assume that I do....why is that? Is it because you don't believe I am capable of forming my own views or is it because you assume that because I use examples which corroborate my stance that my stance is not my own? Or maybe it's because you've neither the capacity nor the balls to debate the actual issues and you'd rather attack me personally, again....I call you a whiny pussy because you ARE a whiny pussy....and hey guess what I formed that idea all on my own reading your claptrap.


Communism is bad full fucking stop.....that you've marched WITH Communists is unsurprising. That you see nothing wrong with Communists is likewise unsurprising. That you are unable or unwilling to actually debate fits with the rest of that narrative. You complain, you offer no solutions, you stand on nothing you stand for nothing, you only stand against. Well here's hoping you and your fucking Communist buddies win out.....I wonder where the peacetime/droughtless famine will hit in the UK? Holomodor, the Great Leap Forward....I guess those were just the "growing pains" of Communism and this time....this time you'll get it right


I've got no desire to build consensus what good is consensus? Groupthink, you want me involved in that? No thank you. What do I get for agreeing with you? You stop bitching for once? I don't believe you're able.


Again, personal attack =/= factual rebuttal.....MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS die under communism FACT. You march alongside the Commies FACT. You are voting for/supporting the mass deaths of your very countrymen by being in favor of Communism FACT. Call me names, but I'm not for murdering my countrymen unlike you

Lyle you continually repost stuff from the same Youtube channels and pass it off as your opinion or thoughts on something. I get that you don't want to build consensus it makes perfect sense considering your incredibly boring and repetitive posting style. You come across like a spoilt millennial and it's really not doing you any favours if you want to live under this illusion of winning debates. I am not the one whining I have posted salient points about the UK election and you are only interested in regurgitating opinion pieces by third parties.


Where is you rebuttal to any of the points here? In fact why would you even care what happens in Europe or the UK election ? the disdain you feel for us is pretty palpable in everything you post. You are creating a strawman argument like you and your sidekick Brockton always do. You are suggesting that I am a communist in order to discredit the Labour party who are not communists. Can you not keep you fickle mind focused on anything for more than the length of one of your YouTube meme's?


What are thoughts on actual Labour Party Policies announced today -



Ban zero hours contracts – so that every worker gets a guaranteed number of hours each week and enjoys some security.
Ensure that any employer wishing to recruit labour from abroad does not undercut workers at home - because it causes divisions when people are played off against each other.
Repeal the Trade Union Act and roll out sectoral collective bargaining – because the most effective way to maintain good rights at work is through a trade union.
Guarantee trade unions a right to access workplaces – so that unions can support and reach members and potential members
Four new Bank Holidays – we’ll bring our country together with new holidays to mark our four patron saints, so that workers in Britain get the same proper breaks as in other countries.
Use public spending power to drive up standards – including only awarding public contracts to companies which recognise trade unions.

• Raise the minimum wage to £10 – we’ll bring the minimum wage up to the level of the living wage (expected to be at least £10 per hour by 2020), so that no one in work gets poverty pay.
• End the public sector pay cap - because public sector wages have fallen and our workers deserve a pay rise.
• Amend the takeover code to ensure every takeover proposal has a clear plan in place to protect workers and pensioners – because workers shouldn’t suffer when a company is sold.
• Roll out maximum pay ratios – because it cannot be right that wages at the top keep rising while everyone else’s stagnates.
• Ban unpaid internships – because it’s not fair for some to get a leg up when others can’t afford to.

Give all workers equal rights from day one, whether part-time or full-time, temporary or permanent – so that all workers have the same rights and protections whatever kind of job they have.
Enforce all workers' right to trade union representation - so that all workers can be supported when negotiating with their employer.
Abolish employment tribunal fees – so that people aren’t priced out of seeking justice when they’ve been treated unfairly by an employer.
Double paid paternity leave to four weeks and increase paternity pay – because fathers are parents too and deserve more time to spend with their new babies.
Strengthen protections for women against unfair redundancy – because no one should be penalised for having children.
Hold a public inquiry into blacklisting – to ensure blacklisting remains a thing of the past.
Give equalities reps statutory rights – so they have time to protect workers from discrimination.
Reinstate protection against third party harassment – because everyone deserves to be safe at work.
Introduce a civil enforcement system to ensure compliance with gender pay auditing – so that all workers have fair access to employment and promotion opportunities and are treated fairly at work.




Does that all really sound like communism to you?

[El Kabong]

What are thoughts on actual Labour Party Policies announced today -



Ban zero hours contracts – so that every worker gets a guaranteed number of hours each week and enjoys some security.
Ensure that any employer wishing to recruit labour from abroad does not undercut workers at home - because it causes divisions when people are played off against each other.
Repeal the Trade Union Act and roll out sectoral collective bargaining – because the most effective way to maintain good rights at work is through a trade union.
Guarantee trade unions a right to access workplaces – so that unions can support and reach members and potential members
Four new Bank Holidays – we’ll bring our country together with new holidays to mark our four patron saints, so that workers in Britain get the same proper breaks as in other countries.
Use public spending power to drive up standards – including only awarding public contracts to companies which recognise trade unions.

*Zero hour contracts are that big of a deal in the UK? There are that many people in those jobs where it's an issue that needs to be addressed? OK well I guess if you want more unemployed people that can be done, I just don't see the point of it.
*I can agree with that...but if it comes with a border wall apparently that's "xenophobic"
*I'm right to work, if you want to join a union do it, if not then don't, I do not want people forced to join unions and don't act like that doesn't happen all the fucking time
*Again I'm right to work. I do not care for Unions I'm not stopping anyone from joining one, but it should be a choice not a demand.
*OK, so no Zero Hour contracts but guaranteed time off then? Some people might want to work, they might NEED to work even and those holidays could keep them from making their ends meet.


[QUOTE=Beanz;1429336]

• Raise the minimum wage to £10 – we’ll bring the minimum wage up to the level of the living wage (expected to be at least £10 per hour by 2020), so that no one in work gets poverty pay.
• End the public sector pay cap - because public sector wages have fallen and our workers deserve a pay rise.
• Amend the takeover code to ensure every takeover proposal has a clear plan in place to protect workers and pensioners – because workers shouldn’t suffer when a company is sold.
• Roll out maximum pay ratios – because it cannot be right that wages at the top keep rising while everyone else’s stagnates.
• Ban unpaid internships – because it’s not fair for some to get a leg up when others can’t afford to.

*Why only £10? Why not £20 or £30? If £10 is just the living wage why not allow people some excess eh?
*How will that be paid for? Or is that not something I should ask?
*Wouldn't know about how your company takeovers work sooo I don't much care
*2 things max pay will either mean more "benefits" (most likely stock) for those on the higher end of things and also pay is graded for a reason the secretary typically doesn't have the tools to run the business, but I suppose you know what you're doing https://www.propublica.org/article/r...e-than-we-knew
*Ban unpaid internships? That's a bit heartless no? How would anyone get bled into an industry?

Give all workers equal rights from day one, whether part-time or full-time, temporary or permanent – so that all workers have the same rights and protections whatever kind of job they have.
Enforce all workers' right to trade union representation - so that all workers can be supported when negotiating with their employer.
Abolish employment tribunal fees – so that people aren’t priced out of seeking justice when they’ve been treated unfairly by an employer.
Double paid paternity leave to four weeks and increase paternity pay – because fathers are parents too and deserve more time to spend with their new babies.
Strengthen protections for women against unfair redundancy – because no one should be penalised for having children.
Hold a public inquiry into blacklisting – to ensure blacklisting remains a thing of the past.
Give equalities reps statutory rights – so they have time to protect workers from discrimination.
Reinstate protection against third party harassment – because everyone deserves to be safe at work.
Introduce a civil enforcement system to ensure compliance with gender pay auditing – so that all workers have fair access to employment and promotion opportunities and are treated fairly at work.




Does that all really sound like communism to you?

*All workers don't have equal rights already? Why?
*What if you want to represent yourself? Will you be coerced to join a Union?
*I don't mind abolishing tribunal fees any way to have less lawyers involved the better.
*Yeah why work at all? Why not just get a living wage from the government?
*Who is penalized for having children? That's a crime if they are at least in the US
*"Remains a thing of the past" so it's not currently a problem then? Why bring it up?
*Yes because there is so much rampant discrimination out there.
*You Brits have lots of issues with this no?
*I'd rather people in general be paid equal with the work they do rather than what gender they are, but I guess that's draconian



Yes, yes it sounds like communism.....all those Unions and guarantees for the workers you don't think it sounds like communism? Is the businessman guaranteed his profit? NO he's guaranteed to PAY....yeah I'd say you're doing the communist thing pretty well