UK general election

[Gandalf]

Why is he a liability though? He hasn't done a single thing wrong. If the people want Tories then screw them. They should have been more clued up and aware of how they are being duped. All sensible young people should leave if it happens and they should never look back. They have been betrayed for 40 years by the system and the people who keep voting for this shite. Get out while you can. Anyone who thinks Corbyn is a liability is an idiot. I would sooner have a rocket land on my head than retreat.

[Master]

Why is he a liability though? He hasn't done a single thing wrong. If the people want Tories then screw them. They should have been more clued up and aware of how they are being duped. All sensible young people should leave if it happens and they should never look back. They have been betrayed for 40 years by the system and the people who keep voting for this shite. Get out while you can. Anyone who thinks Corbyn is a liability is an idiot. I would sooner have a rocket land on my head than retreat.

No point being in opposition having your values and principles, Labour needs to listen to what the electorate want and give it.

[Gandalf]

So Labour should ape the Tories? It just doesn't make any sense. They tried doing that in 2015 and it failed. What has happened is Labour sabotaged itself with endless challenges to Corbyn, the media concertedly set out to destroy him and the Tories are now seen as the pro Brexit party. I don't think any of that is a conspiracy. It's an easy path to track. I didn't expect people were this stupid. It seems with Facebook, footy and soaps you've a system of complete control.

They say that 20% are really clued in. A lot of them such as the Guardian crowd are vested in this system. They have private health care, their property has doubled in value, they own shares etc. They probably quite like how it is all evolving. The rest seem to be sheep ready to be herded. The smart young ones can never compete without selling out. This is where I start sounding extreme. Leave and make sure you are where it ends. There can be no future in a world like this. Space is the only way out and we don't have a reservation.

[Beanz]

So Labour should ape the Tories? It just doesn't make any sense. They tried doing that in 2015 and it failed. What has happened is Labour sabotaged itself with endless challenges to Corbyn, the media concertedly set out to destroy him and the Tories are now seen as the pro Brexit party. I don't think any of that is a conspiracy. It's an easy path to track. I didn't expect people were this stupid. It seems with Facebook, footy and soaps you've a system of complete control.

They say that 20% are really clued in. A lot of them such as the Guardian crowd are vested in this system. They have private health care, their property has doubled in value, they own shares etc. They probably quite like how it is all evolving. The rest seem to be sheep ready to be herded. The smart young ones can never compete without selling out. This is where I start sounding extreme. Leave and make sure you are where it ends. There can be no future in a world like this. Space is the only way out and we don't have a reservation.

That is quite a patronising and ill informed out of touch way of seeing things. Yes there are a lot of easily led people and a huge swathe of middle England that are are all very well off and would like to turn the clock back to a Pre EU Britain but they are not the whole of the electorate. They just get out and vote more. Always have. Mobilising everyone else is the real challenge and you are right that the press and their coverage makes that hard but even the Guardian as establishment as it is has some damn fine journalists and commentators who are able and willing to point out the lies being pedaled by the Tory machine. Some people also like simplisitc soundbite culture which is why Farage translated so well in America, they want to believe we are a pardody of Britain like him. His party UKIP were absolutely annihilated in the local elections which is brilliant news. The bad new is the Tories despite undergoing criminal investigation will capitalise on that and take those UKIP voters because they have now adopted their retarded policies many of which you supported.

[Gandalf]

It was an angry post. Just shocked that it is true Labour is so far down. I've done okay in North Korea by being part of the system, but I still want a fairer system that rises standards for all.

[Master]

It was an angry post. Just shocked that it is true Labour is so far down. I've done okay in North Korea by being part of the system, but I still want a fairer system that rises standards for all.

OK, now go to sleep. It is way past your bed time.

[Master]

The art of the con. Governments play on people’s emotions and use people like pawns on a chess board. Each day they contrive to squeeze more out of you and line their own pockets. The tricks and techniques are the same - Smoke and Mirrors.

Classifying information under secrets acts

Setting up independent enquiries that are rigged to produce favourable results.

Bombarding you with repeated lies that a five year could figure out and spot.

Overloading you with media BS to overwhelm you with useless information - Princess Diana stories and Madeline McCann still running after 20yrs and ten years respectively.

Falsifying figures to give the illusion that inflation is 2%. Anyone who goes to the supermarket will tell you the cost of basic staples is going up whilst the product size is shrinking.

Inflating property prices to the extent that most people cannot afford a house without debt.

Job Cronyism - Appointing independent consultants who set-up creative recruitment techniques whose sole purpose is to rig the hiring process for preferred candidates.

Truth Suppression - Whistleblowers and truthsayers are persecuted to prevent any contrarian view that goes against the scripted narrative.

Polticians are so deluded that they think that they have some noble qualified privilege to tell lies and manipulate the population. Noblism is a state of delusion from birth. They think they have the right to spurt out verbal nonsense.