Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
So Labour should ape the Tories? It just doesn't make any sense. They tried doing that in 2015 and it failed. What has happened is Labour sabotaged itself with endless challenges to Corbyn, the media concertedly set out to destroy him and the Tories are now seen as the pro Brexit party. I don't think any of that is a conspiracy. It's an easy path to track. I didn't expect people were this stupid. It seems with Facebook, footy and soaps you've a system of complete control.

They say that 20% are really clued in. A lot of them such as the Guardian crowd are vested in this system. They have private health care, their property has doubled in value, they own shares etc. They probably quite like how it is all evolving. The rest seem to be sheep ready to be herded. The smart young ones can never compete without selling out. This is where I start sounding extreme. Leave and make sure you are where it ends. There can be no future in a world like this. Space is the only way out and we don't have a reservation.
That is quite a patronising and ill informed out of touch way of seeing things. Yes there are a lot of easily led people and a huge swathe of middle England that are are all very well off and would like to turn the clock back to a Pre EU Britain but they are not the whole of the electorate. They just get out and vote more. Always have. Mobilising everyone else is the real challenge and you are right that the press and their coverage makes that hard but even the Guardian as establishment as it is has some damn fine journalists and commentators who are able and willing to point out the lies being pedaled by the Tory machine. Some people also like simplisitc soundbite culture which is why Farage translated so well in America, they want to believe we are a pardody of Britain like him. His party UKIP were absolutely annihilated in the local elections which is brilliant news. The bad new is the Tories despite undergoing criminal investigation will capitalise on that and take those UKIP voters because they have now adopted their retarded policies many of which you supported.