Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th

[Master]

I agree the fight will not be as hard as Jacob's. I think if GGG did fight Jacobs again, he will not allow him to weigh in as high as he did and would easily beat him.

Canelo made money for as long as he could and I am glad he signed but it was not without a push.

I always refer back to May-Pac. Remember how much money was on the line and they still pissed about for 5 odd years. Like you said this fight is happening at the right time. GGG might have slipped a little which may have increased the younger mans chances. I think Jacobs will be just as difficult if they do rematch. I'm not sure Jacobs will accept a re-hydration clause and how will fans look upon GGG if he starts making these sorts of demands?

Those are reasonable demands which are there for the safety of the fighters to make sure that the fight is fair and based on skill. I do not think it is an unreasonable demand.

I'm not disagreeing with you but only the IBF officially has those restrictions. If GGG tried to enforce those requirements on Jacobs for a shot at say the WBA strap I'm not sure he would be able to. Also with Jacobs' style the weight in my opinion was only helpful in helping him to absorb the shots from GGG and possibly made his own shots a little heavier. It was not a pressure style where the weight would definitely play a part.

Absorbing the punches helped Jacobs survive round 5 and made a huge difference for him. It was near cheating not to follow the agreed IBF rules.

[Alpha]

I agree the fight will not be as hard as Jacob's. I think if GGG did fight Jacobs again, he will not allow him to weigh in as high as he did and would easily beat him.

Canelo made money for as long as he could and I am glad he signed but it was not without a push.

I always refer back to May-Pac. Remember how much money was on the line and they still pissed about for 5 odd years. Like you said this fight is happening at the right time. GGG might have slipped a little which may have increased the younger mans chances. I think Jacobs will be just as difficult if they do rematch. I'm not sure Jacobs will accept a re-hydration clause and how will fans look upon GGG if he starts making these sorts of demands?

Those are reasonable demands which are there for the safety of the fighters to make sure that the fight is fair and based on skill. I do not think it is an unreasonable demand.

I'm not disagreeing with you but only the IBF officially has those restrictions. If GGG tried to enforce those requirements on Jacobs for a shot at say the WBA strap I'm not sure he would be able to. Also with Jacobs' style the weight in my opinion was only helpful in helping him to absorb the shots from GGG and possibly made his own shots a little heavier. It was not a pressure style where the weight would definitely play a part.

Absorbing the punches helped Jacobs survive round 5 and made a huge difference for him. It was near cheating not to follow the agreed IBF rules.

But he followed the WBC and WBA rules.

[Master]

I thought WBC and WBA had similar rules? If they do not, they should as the Gatti fight showed the clear abuse of the weight gain can be dangerous.

[Alpha]

I thought WBC and WBA had similar rules? If they do not, they should as the Gatti fight showed the clear abuse of the weight gain can be dangerous.

No only the IBF has a day of the fight weigh in with a 10 pound re-hydration clause. I agree all the sanctioning bodies should follow suit. I wonder if Canelo will bother with the IBF?

[Fenster]

Listened to an Abel Sanchez interview this morning, he explained perfectly why the Jacobs rematch isn't happening - Money.

However good a fight Jacobs gave Golovkin he lost and it did shit numbers. He said Jacobs needs to make a name for himself now, fight Lemiuex, fight another big name, make the money men demand the rematch as the people that fund fights are not currently interested.

You can't argue with that.

Fans don't like it - the divvies will call it a "duck" - but it's the truth. A plain simple fact in boxing is - the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, if that's not the case then the fight is not worth considering.

[Alpha]

Listened to an Abel Sanchez interview this morning, he explained perfectly why the Jacobs rematch isn't happening - Money.

However good a fight Jacobs gave Golovkin he lost and it did shit numbers. He said Jacobs needs to make a name for himself now, fight Lemiuex, fight another big name, make the money men demand the rematch as the people that fund fights are not currently interested.

You can't argue with that.

Fans don't like it - the divvies will call it a "duck" - but it's the truth. A plain simple fact in boxing is - the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, if that's not the case then the fight is not worth considering.

That's how I feel Oscar and Canelo have been approaching GGG up until this point.

[Primo Carnera]

Listened to an Abel Sanchez interview this morning, he explained perfectly why the Jacobs rematch isn't happening - Money.

However good a fight Jacobs gave Golovkin he lost and it did shit numbers. He said Jacobs needs to make a name for himself now, fight Lemiuex, fight another big name, make the money men demand the rematch as the people that fund fights are not currently interested.

You can't argue with that.

Fans don't like it - the divvies will call it a "duck" - but it's the truth. A plain simple fact in boxing is - the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, if that's not the case then the fight is not worth considering.

That's how I feel Oscar and Canelo have been approaching GGG up until this point.

It's not really the same though is it.
1. GGG did fight Jacobs in the first place.
2. Nobody can tell me fighting Khan and Liam Smith are bigger money fights than GGG.
If that's what they did think, they're clearly wrong.

[TitoFan]

Listened to an Abel Sanchez interview this morning, he explained perfectly why the Jacobs rematch isn't happening - Money.

However good a fight Jacobs gave Golovkin he lost and it did shit numbers. He said Jacobs needs to make a name for himself now, fight Lemiuex, fight another big name, make the money men demand the rematch as the people that fund fights are not currently interested.

You can't argue with that.

Fans don't like it - the divvies will call it a "duck" - but it's the truth. A plain simple fact in boxing is - the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, if that's not the case then the fight is not worth considering.

That's how I feel Oscar and Canelo have been approaching GGG up until this point.

Except it isn't (IMO). C'mon, there's no way you can categorize how Team Canelo has been approaching GGG as... "Money."

The money for GGG-Canelo was going to be there from Day One. But for some reason (which we all know), Oscar came up with the cute term... "Marinate."

We also all know that Canelo did his best to lure GGG toward 154, but GGG wouldn't budge. Why should he? Team Canelo talked shitloads about Canelo not being ready for 160.

Yet in that relatively short span of time you mention, Canelo was miraculously somehow and all of a sudden ready to fight Junior at 164.5 (damn those 0.5 divisions).

Finally, after having fought at that weight, and the world seeing that Canelo can fight at MW and above, the veil has been lifted and Team Canelo has no choice but to cash in their chips now. Otherwise, they risk ridicule from their ultra-loyal fan base. (I have to specify from whom because he already gets ridiculed by some of us hardcore boxing fans).

[Alpha]

The money may have always been there but it was Canelo bringing it in. GGG can't make money as we've seen.

So why not take a few extra paydays along the way? It's not like the other titlests were rushing to outdo him. Barr Lemieux.

Both Jacobs and now Saunders have taken longer to face GGG than Canelo. Both are career middleweights. Canelo has moved up in weight and is fighting the best guy in the division quicker than some other belt holders have dared to.

[J_Undisputed]

The money may have always been there but it was Canelo bringing it in. GGG can't make money as we've seen.

So why not take a few extra paydays along the way? It's not like the other titlests were rushing to outdo him. Barr Lemieux.

Both Jacobs and now Saunders have taken longer to face GGG than Canelo. Both are career middleweights. Canelo has moved up in weight and is fighting the best guy in the division quicker than some other belt holders have dared to.

The biggest contention for me is that "along the way", he wasn't fighting other 160 guys at 160. He fought a 147 pounder, a 154 pounder , while holding on to the 160 lb strap. If he wanted to drop the the strap immediately and wander aimlessly through the divisions, draining big guys and bloating small guys while looking for money fights, I might look at it as a side show but really what can you do. Those guys accepted those fights. Even per the rules, you could give Canelo a little bit of breathing room for defending the WBC against khan (at 160 as long as he paid GGG the step aside fee and Khan was ranked -- or at 155 for no title as long as he was back at 160 to defend against his mandatory (GGG) in the next fight. At least Cotto, agreed to pay GGG the step aside fee to fight Canelo instead (before refusing to pay the sanctioning fee and refusing to honor his word)

If Canelo kept the belt and kept stalling GGG while he fought a saunders, jacobs, Lemieux, stevens, monroe, lee or someone who ranked, he'd be getting more slack, I think. If you take the title and defend it against junior middle weights and welters and then when you're forced to fulfill your obligations at the weight, you throw a tantrum ("artificial deadlines") and lay the strap down... it looks bad. But ok, you drop the strap and walked away and fight whoever you want for bigger money some people might still watch.... but he kept coming back saying... But im not chicken!!!... and then you insult the consensus but uncrowned unified champ (WBO not withstanding) a low ball flat fee so he'll deliberately price himself out in a desperate attempt to gain back street credit. You can't have it both ways.

Why not just fight and beat saunders and see how bad a deal GGG was willing to make to complete his collection. Because somehow if G needs S and S needs G.. and C needs both... then the answer is chavez. If Canelo is all about the money angle, that's cool but it reminds of when I was kid and used to watch the wwe ..when it was still the wwf... they had this guy, who didn't win the championships.. and just made his own "million dollar belt"... that people could fight him for but would have his toadie cheat those people so they could never win his belt... Finally one day guess someone beat him and the whole gimmick was over cuz the belt didn't mean squat without the guy and the guy didn't mean squat without the gimmick. Achievement without integrity = a Biillionaire president that no one listens to.

[Spicoli]

The money may have always been there but it was Canelo bringing it in. GGG can't make money as we've seen.

So why not take a few extra paydays along the way? It's not like the other titlests were rushing to outdo him. Barr Lemieux.

Both Jacobs and now Saunders have taken longer to face GGG than Canelo. Both are career middleweights. Canelo has moved up in weight and is fighting the best guy in the division quicker than some other belt holders have dared to.

It's one thing if you legitimize your new ground, defend it, either on the way or once you arrive. Canelo did neither and talked out of both sides of his mouth while retreating back to his 154 confines. I cannot seriously fault a Saunders or Jacobs for not having the playing field and luxuries afforded to Canelo and Jacobs most certainly met the challenge before Canelo and had the best fight of his career. Until that bell rings Canelo and company remain a step behind in middleweight, fuul middleweight, legitimacy.

[Ron Swanson]

Listened to an Abel Sanchez interview this morning, he explained perfectly why the Jacobs rematch isn't happening - Money.

However good a fight Jacobs gave Golovkin he lost and it did shit numbers. He said Jacobs needs to make a name for himself now, fight Lemiuex, fight another big name, make the money men demand the rematch as the people that fund fights are not currently interested.

You can't argue with that.

Fans don't like it - the divvies will call it a "duck" - but it's the truth. A plain simple fact in boxing is - the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, if that's not the case then the fight is not worth considering.

One of the saddest posts I have ever read. Jacobs won by many peoples opinions. Not the majority, but many. He deserves a rematch. He's out there calling for a rematch. You can't just point to the numbers because the numbers were effected by the fact most thought it was a gimme fight. Proven by the 8/1 odds.

Nobody sees a gimme anymore. It would absolutely get better numbers for part 2. Do you have the nerve to deny it would get better numbers? Please don't dodge the question, don't change the question. Do you think a rematch would get better/worse/same numbers? If you think, as any sane man would, it would get better numbers then the initial numbers are irrelevant.

[Kirkland Laing]

Listened to an Abel Sanchez interview this morning, he explained perfectly why the Jacobs rematch isn't happening - Money.

However good a fight Jacobs gave Golovkin he lost and it did shit numbers. He said Jacobs needs to make a name for himself now, fight Lemiuex, fight another big name, make the money men demand the rematch as the people that fund fights are not currently interested.

You can't argue with that.

Fans don't like it - the divvies will call it a "duck" - but it's the truth. A plain simple fact in boxing is - the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, if that's not the case then the fight is not worth considering.

One of the saddest posts I have ever read. Jacobs won by many peoples opinions. Not the majority, but many. He deserves a rematch. He's out there calling for a rematch. You can't just point to the numbers because the numbers were effected by the fact most thought it was a gimme fight. Proven by the 8/1 odds.

Nobody sees a gimme anymore. It would absolutely get better numbers for part 2. Do you have the nerve to deny it would get better numbers? Please don't dodge the question, don't change the question. Do you think a rematch would get better/worse/same numbers? If you think, as any sane man would, it would get better numbers then the initial numbers are irrelevant.

It would do very similar numbers. Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less. Either way it wouldn't be a viable fight to make. HBO aren't buying as many fights as they used to and they're just not going to come up with the scratch again for a rematch. The numbers don't add up to make it a doable proposition. So that's that.

If HBO offered Golovkin a twenty million dollar guarantee tomorrow to rematch Jacobs in his next fight Golovkin would snap their hand off. But instead they're offering him the chance to make that kind of money, more than he's so far earned in his entire career, fighting Alvarez, so that's what he's doing. Whichever fighter offers him the most money for his next fight after Alvarez is the fight he'll take. It's all about the benjamins baby.

[Ron Swanson]

Listened to an Abel Sanchez interview this morning, he explained perfectly why the Jacobs rematch isn't happening - Money.

However good a fight Jacobs gave Golovkin he lost and it did shit numbers. He said Jacobs needs to make a name for himself now, fight Lemiuex, fight another big name, make the money men demand the rematch as the people that fund fights are not currently interested.

You can't argue with that.

Fans don't like it - the divvies will call it a "duck" - but it's the truth. A plain simple fact in boxing is - the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, if that's not the case then the fight is not worth considering.

One of the saddest posts I have ever read. Jacobs won by many peoples opinions. Not the majority, but many. He deserves a rematch. He's out there calling for a rematch. You can't just point to the numbers because the numbers were effected by the fact most thought it was a gimme fight. Proven by the 8/1 odds.

Nobody sees a gimme anymore. It would absolutely get better numbers for part 2. Do you have the nerve to deny it would get better numbers? Please don't dodge the question, don't change the question. Do you think a rematch would get better/worse/same numbers? If you think, as any sane man would, it would get better numbers then the initial numbers are irrelevant.

It would do very similar numbers. Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less. Either way it wouldn't be a viable fight to make. HBO aren't buying as many fights as they used to and they're just not going to come up with the scratch again for a rematch. The numbers don't add up to make it a doable proposition. So that's that.

If HBO offered Golovkin a twenty million dollar guarantee tomorrow to rematch Jacobs in his next fight Golovkin would snap their hand off. But instead they're offering him the chance to make that kind of money, more than he's so far earned in his entire career, fighting Alvarez, so that's what he's doing. Whichever fighter offers him the most money for his next fight after Alvarez is the fight he'll take. It's all about the benjamins baby.

I'm not talking about instead of the Alvarez fight. After the Alvarez fight he should be looking at Jacobs. Of course if there's some PPV out there that is what to make. But who is a PPV? HBO has said they have interest in Jacobs NOW, his standing has gone up.

[Kirkland Laing]

Listened to an Abel Sanchez interview this morning, he explained perfectly why the Jacobs rematch isn't happening - Money.

However good a fight Jacobs gave Golovkin he lost and it did shit numbers. He said Jacobs needs to make a name for himself now, fight Lemiuex, fight another big name, make the money men demand the rematch as the people that fund fights are not currently interested.

You can't argue with that.

Fans don't like it - the divvies will call it a "duck" - but it's the truth. A plain simple fact in boxing is - the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, if that's not the case then the fight is not worth considering.

One of the saddest posts I have ever read. Jacobs won by many peoples opinions. Not the majority, but many. He deserves a rematch. He's out there calling for a rematch. You can't just point to the numbers because the numbers were effected by the fact most thought it was a gimme fight. Proven by the 8/1 odds.

Nobody sees a gimme anymore. It would absolutely get better numbers for part 2. Do you have the nerve to deny it would get better numbers? Please don't dodge the question, don't change the question. Do you think a rematch would get better/worse/same numbers? If you think, as any sane man would, it would get better numbers then the initial numbers are irrelevant.

It would do very similar numbers. Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less. Either way it wouldn't be a viable fight to make. HBO aren't buying as many fights as they used to and they're just not going to come up with the scratch again for a rematch. The numbers don't add up to make it a doable proposition. So that's that.

If HBO offered Golovkin a twenty million dollar guarantee tomorrow to rematch Jacobs in his next fight Golovkin would snap their hand off. But instead they're offering him the chance to make that kind of money, more than he's so far earned in his entire career, fighting Alvarez, so that's what he's doing. Whichever fighter offers him the most money for his next fight after Alvarez is the fight he'll take. It's all about the benjamins baby.

I'm not talking about instead of the Alvarez fight. After the Alvarez fight he should be looking at Jacobs. Of course if there's some PPV out there that is what to make. But who is a PPV? HBO has said they have interest in Jacobs NOW, his standing has gone up.

If HBO have said they have interest in Jacobs now and want to make Golovkin-Jacobs two after the Alvarez fight then that's the fight Golovkin will take. If they want him to fight Lemieux then that's who he'll fight next. He's not ducking anybody. He's got a limited time left and he wants to make as much money as he can before it's all over for him. Intrinsic to the whole enterprise is HBO. They're putting up the lion's share of the promotional pot in every fight and occasionally for Golovkin there's a PPV possibility so he's going to do exactly what HBO want every time*.


*Unless there's some big daft offer from somewhere else like when Kazakhstan, the greatest country in the world, made an offer to Golovkin to fight somebody in front of his own countrymen. Then they were thinking about fighting Saunders over there for a nice easy payday and then getting back on the HBO travelator. But the Alvarez fight came up so naturally they grabbed it as it could pay more than the entire rest of his career will.