Enough - No more apologies for evil

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my 1st reactionm to ANY death is horror, fright, shock, disgust---and when i say ANY death I include the deaths of brides and grooms who were "MERE COLLATERAL DAMAGE" OF UK AND US BOMBING RUNS. WHOOPS!!!! WE HIT THE WRONG HOUSE, OH WELL, FREEDOM ISNT FREE!!!!

The two things are in no way interchangeable or equivalent. I could not have put it any better than Ryanman has.

@Greenbeanz you have lost your mind , bloke. The murders of a bride and groom and of james Foley are "in no way interchangeable or equivalent" YOu will have a hard time explaining that comment after putting your foot in your mouth on that one mate. ANY murder is equivalent to ANY murder. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? So the bride and groom who were murdered by a drone as they tied the knot is not as tragically appalling as the James Foley throat-cutting? So you have LEVELS of murders that are incrementally more and more or less and less horrific? You are BATTY. A TRUE MOON BAT, AN EASTERN EUROPEAN TRANSYLVANIAN VAMPIRE OF THE HIGHEST BLOOD-SUCKING GYPSY ORDER, ............. but I still love you, you little pixie-mazed Slaughterhouse 5, ale-drinking muckraking pork-barrel insomniac, you.

Any innocent life lost is tragic and saddening. But Greenbeanz is right. Their lives are of course worth an equal amount, but the manner of their death is not the same.One human severing the head of another human being that is in their presence, by the own hand takes a few extra levels of barbarism than a man pressing a button which launches a missile for instance that misses its intended target and thus kills people.If you honestly think its the same then you have taken leave of your basic human instincts. Now, I know you like to jump on things and go a bit mad so to be clear - I know that the lives are worth the same. I know that it is tragic either way.But we are talking about the actions of the killers here. And there is such a thing as INTENT. And it matters. It matters a lot. Again I say (because I don't want a capital letter tirade) that I do not support the use of drones. And I genuinely feel real honest pain when hearing about poor Iraqis that have lost their families. But the actions of the killers in these things do not equate. A proportionate response by the murders own logic now would be for a friend of James Foley to murder a random innocent Muslim in retaliation. Would that be fair and just? No.

NOT TALKING ABOUT THE "MISSED" TARGET ALONE. Do you not think Bush and Rumsfeld ever "intended" to kill blocks and blocks of people? Do you think all 1,300,000 Iraqis who were killed in Bush/Blair ILLEGAL INVASION OF IRAQ were terrorists and insurgents? All 1,300,000 That would be iompossible. Bush/Blair?Rumsfeld & Co. SLAUGHTERED KNOWINGLY plenty of innocents --- they admitted it themselves in so many words of course, that it is better to wipe out the barrel to get that 1 or 2 bad apples. Its the price we have to pay, Albright said it, Hillary said it, Rumsfeld said it. So now what, wise guy? Forget the "whoops! collateral damage, Bill! That terrorist holding area turned out to be a children's hospital! Holy Christ, now what?" shit, Im talking about hard-core "get in there and wipe these towel-heads out!" and have you not seen all the examples of US GIs going house to house and simply machine gunning the occupants down? It happened thousands of times in Iraq. All Im saying is there is no difference between machine gunning a family down or murdering prisoners in Abu Ghraib and filming it whilst laughing after US and British soldiers placed bags over their heads, and what the animal scumbag evil bastard did to Foley.If you think there is a difference you are pixie-mazed, daft, poppy-cocked out to the n-th degree.

Thoughts Steve?

My thoughts are exactly the same now as they were when I wrote that almost three years ago. Bush and Blair and Rumsfeld did something call shock and awe which I am sure you are familiar with in Iraq in 2003 which was basically they saturation bombed with cruise missiles blocks and blocks and blocks of Civilian apartment complexes in Baghdad and also in other cities resulting from what I have read in varying reports to be anywhere from 200,000 to 600000 dead civilians in a mass murder which cannot be explained otherwise. I wrote something very similar only two months ago or maybe was it 3 months ago that I think that if an iraqi person whose entire family was wiped out buy shock and awe saturation bombing in Baghdad decided to take revenge that would be understandable. But I never said and if I did please go and hunt it down as you seem to be so good in hunting things down but I never said I never said that these whack jobs coming from Libya and Algeria and Syria and Somalia for example and Tunisia who deliberately disguise themselves as refugees and then get on these boats also people from Sudan and Djibouti and then come over as if they are refugees when in fact they are just sleeper cells and then they carry out these attacks and build these networks in England for example as we are now seeing that was a network of people who struck at the Ariana Grande concert the other night. I have never defended those people I have never said that those people were justified in seeking Revenge. When George Bush and Tony Blair and Donald Rumsfeld saturation bombed Baghdad in 2003 that is not connected in any way and does not justify in any way the type of whack job stuff we saw in Manchester the other night when a british-born person of Libyan descent decides to do such an act of unthinkable barbarism.. If we go along that route that means that just because of the saturation bombing of Baghdad in 2003 that that now gives every single Muslim on the face of the Earth from any single Muslim country the right to seek revenge against the West. Never did I agree with that and never do I think that that is just justifiable or even remotely valid in any way shape or form. .....recently I said and I still say now that the invasion of Iraq was un justified and act of Barbar ism and I did not support bush and Blair and I do not support bush and Blair and Donna rums field and Dick Cheney for invading Iraq and killing all those people. When did I ever say I supported the invasion of Iraq? I even go so far as to constantly say that Saddam Hussein was my cousin.

You see you don't have the finely-tuned knowledge of the Middle East that I have and you are trying to use my position on the Iraqi Invasion to point out in a bogus matter what I say about as a these other Muslims from unconnected and unrelated countries to try to say that I have some point in my argument which is inconsistent.

[Beanz]

What a crock of shit. No hunting down necessary. I am just sick and tired of being called an apologist and having you get up on your soapbox calling everybody who does not share your very narrow world view libtards or kumbayah commies or whatever other regressive rubbish you spout. You don't even know me, and yet apparently I and nobody else have "the finely tuned knowledge of the middle east" that you have.

Anybody with even a modicum of neutrality and subjectivity can see the inconsistencies in your position. You would apparently be ashamed to be Anglo Saxon but we in the UK are the ones with a complex?

I have not done a 180 I have been consistent in never excusing the actions of murderous bastards whatever excuse they use to carry out their campaigns. You seem to want to harangue anyone that does not agree with you 100% and dares not be as simplistic, naive and dishonest as you are with your arguments.

[Master]

Brock you just wrote it is "understandable" if they want to take revenge if they lost their family.

[brocktonblockbust]

Brock you just wrote it is "understandable" if they want to take revenge if they lost their family.

Master it is understandable if they are from Iraq. But people from Djibouti or Eritrea or Tunisia or Sudan or Algeria are the ones who are going to Europe and the United States and pulling off these terrorist attacks. That is a big difference Master

[Beanz]

Brock you just wrote it is "understandable" if they want to take revenge if they lost their family.

Master it is understandable if they are from Iraq. But people from Djibouti or Eritrea or Tunisia or Sudan or Algeria are the ones who are going to Europe and the United States and pulling off these terrorist attacks. That is a big difference Master

What if they are from Libya? No excuse..cunt and you call me an apologist. The Americans leaked evidence from the joint security operation yesterday and you...fucking you ..posted that picture twice here in different threads. You are an idiot.

[brocktonblockbust]

Brock you just wrote it is "understandable" if they want to take revenge if they lost their family.

Master it is understandable if they are from Iraq. But people from Djibouti or Eritrea or Tunisia or Sudan or Algeria are the ones who are going to Europe and the United States and pulling off these terrorist attacks. That is a big difference Master

What if they are from Libya? No excuse..cunt and you call me an apologist. The Americans leaked evidence from the joint security operation yesterday and you...fucking you ..posted that picture twice here in different threads. You are an idiot.

Mate you have come undone. So now I am The Americans? looks like somebody got their knickers in a right twist.

Also way to confuse the two terms understandable and excuse. I never used the word excuse... you did ...but of course please put that word in my mouth just like you put words in Lyles mouth all the time

[Beanz]

Brock you just wrote it is "understandable" if they want to take revenge if they lost their family.

Master it is understandable if they are from Iraq. But people from Djibouti or Eritrea or Tunisia or Sudan or Algeria are the ones who are going to Europe and the United States and pulling off these terrorist attacks. That is a big difference Master

What if they are from Libya? No excuse..cunt and you call me an apologist. The Americans leaked evidence from the joint security operation yesterday and you...fucking you ..posted that picture twice here in different threads. You are an idiot.

Mate you have come undone. So now I am The Americans? looks like somebody got their knickers in a right twist.

Also way to confuse the two terms understandable and excuse. I never used the word excuse... you did ...but of course please put that word in my mouth just like you put words in Lyles mouth all the time

You shared the picture because you were more interested in fostering outrage than debate. You seem to not give a shit about anything other than "Winning" an internet argument. There are no depths you are not prepared to go down to win your phony gay long distance fight. You are the fucker that harassed me for years, and then asked for me to be banned because I warned you not to come anywhere near me or my family, so don't play the innocent victim now fatso.