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Well hopefully after Trump people will come to their senses and vote for a man who not only runs the country well, but also cares about global issues, like any leader of a powerful country should.


Again, when the rest of the fucking world starts pulling their own weight then we can talk. Look at NATO, look at the UN, look at any huge disaster earthquake, tsunami, drought, famine, who is the first to show up and with the most money? The United States, that's fucking who.




Lyle, here's where we'll probably agree to disagree. Today's world and today's global problems require people/ leaders with a global vision. As opposed maybe to you, I believe it's possible to care both about your own country and about the world in general. It's ok for Trump to expect other countries to do their fair share and share the expenses in efforts that benefit everyone. But there's a world of difference between saying that, and just going about like the proverbial bull in a china shop, pulling out of accords and offending anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with him.

In other words, it's ok to say "America First". But America isn't the only tenant in the building. There's plenty of other world leaders with vision, good intentions, and willingness to work together for the good of the civilized world. Be it the environment, terrorism, or any other global issue.

Once again I'll invoke the tired but true "pendulum theory". You obviously viewed Obama as a pussy who bent over backwards and didn't put America's interests first. So for the sake of argument, let's go with that and assume it was necessary to reverse that trend a little bit. Don't you think we could've had a more deserving, Presidential, respect-inspiring person up there that could accomplish BOTH goals? That of putting American interests first, but without alienating/ isolating the rest of the world?

Only my opinion, of course.