Trump withdraws from the 2015 Paris Climate agreement

[El Kabong]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.

Alright then....your end goal is what? What is the end game for a climate scientist? Do people have cars? Is there ANY industry at all? Please do lay out the homeostasis between man and the climate if such a thing is actually achievable, what does that world look like?

[Beanz]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.

Alright then....your end goal is what? What is the end game for a climate scientist? Do people have cars? Is there ANY industry at all? Please do lay out the homeostasis between man and the climate if such a thing is actually achievable, what does that world look like?

Why do you have to take everything to extremes? You have turned into a conspiracy nut where even the waitress offering you sugar for your coffee has the potential to be giving you strychnine. You can run cars on Hydrogen and renewable power is already a tried and tested safe and cheap alternative to conventional fossil fuels. So there is absolutely no merit to your suggestion that responsible conservation can keep both cars and actually provide sustainable jobs in growing industries.

We are not running out of hydrogen or wind or solar power anytime soon.


The world is changing. Better hop on before you get left behind.

[Memphis]

Quick question. Why is it such an awful thing that America have pulled out of this deal?

Lets assume for one crazy moment that any pledges America made in signing this deal are still going to happen and that they aren't going to start an Eiffel Tower sized coal fire in the rain forest in celebration.

What difference does it make?

As an aside. It really fills me with embarrassment as an English man when I hear English commentary on all things Trump. It doesnt matter if its here, in the office or on the news, I find it unbearably arrogant. I genuinely dont know where we as a people get the stones to snigger over our tea and toast given that we're doing such a great job of running our country.

[brocktonblockbust]

Quick question. Why is it such an awful thing that America have pulled out of this deal?

Lets assume for one crazy moment that any pledges America made in signing this deal are still going to happen and that they aren't going to start an Eiffel Tower sized coal fire in the rain forest in celebration.

What difference does it make?

As an aside. It really fills me with embarrassment as an English man when I hear English commentary on all things Trump. It doesnt matter if its here, in the office or on the news, I find it unbearably arrogant. I genuinely dont know where we as a people get the stones to snigger over our tea and toast given that we're doing such a great job of running our country.

I really respect that honesty and frankness and self-analysis there. That is something that very few people are able to do. I also agree with what you just said there. Not only have the British not put their house in order at all but yes sniggering over toast and tea is a very good analogy to make their. I really like that a lot. Yes you are right it is just a Witch Hunt but it is not only happening in the UK my friend it is happening anywhere where the globalists are writing and speaking and commenting. It is happening on all the mainstream TV stations in this country as well. It is the globalists the globalists the ones who want a One World Government the ones who want to suck out the patriotism and the nationalism of every country, who want all the borders to disappear and who think that all human beings should be mixed together in one big soup because everybody is equal and we should all share in the same soup. Great points about the climate agreement there my friend great points I agree

[El Kabong]

Why do you have to take everything to extremes? You have turned into a conspiracy nut where even the waitress offering you sugar for your coffee has the potential to be giving you strychnine. You can run cars on Hydrogen and renewable power is already a tried and tested safe and cheap alternative to conventional fossil fuels. So there is absolutely no merit to your suggestion that responsible conservation can keep both cars and actually provide sustainable jobs in growing industries.

We are not running out of hydrogen or wind or solar power anytime soon.


The world is changing. Better hop on before you get left behind.

Ummm I'm sorry I thought Climate Change was an EXXXXXTREME threat to humanity ergo rights must be taken away, livelihoods must be ruined, power plants must be closed, and any kind of industrialization must be halted or else _________ might happen be it the sea levels rising millimeters over a period of decades OR giant storms that we created OR manbearpig.


Hydrogen is a volatile gas there are car multiple wrecks every single day that MIGHT be a bad idea to run 100% of vehicles on that gas. What renewable power can you run cars on? Wind? Solar?


Let me just ask you a question (which I already know the answer to by the way)....Where does hydrogen come from? You know, so you can use it for all of these wonderful things like cars and industry. Also how would one go about moving Hydrogen....through a pipeline? On a tanker truck? A boat? This isn't the EXTREME it's a matter of being pragmatic and practical. These are veryday questions that people in the working world will have to address.

Just in case you'd care for an opinion that is not mine here you go...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie.../a926/4199381/


Yeah, the world changes regardless of what us humans do, the climate has changed before and will change again.....regardless of what people do. The human impact on the climate is small to nil, now people might disagree with that, but 1 big volcano eruption will make anything the Paris Accord set out to do moot

[El Kabong]

Why the Paris climate deal is meaningless - Oren Cass
http://www.politico.com/agenda/story...ingless-000326



Life comes at you fast

[El Kabong]

Remaining Paris signatories plan to save planet by building 2,440 NEW coal plants.

http://climateactiontracker.org/asse...fing_COP21.pdf


But you were saying about renewable energy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......hold on......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[walrus]

In a press conference putin called for calm reminding people much of the accords don't come into effect until 2021. He said jokingly now all bad weather can be blamed on western imperialism

[Nameless]

When 97% of the world's scientists agree about the problem, that we've been able to measure quite accurately the amount of C02 in the air at staggering levels and when greedy bastards like Disney's CEO got out of Trump gov for this retraction, I think that we can easily say that yes, climate change is a PROBLEM and it would be about time for the denial-ers to get their fact straights and to evaluate the consequences for the species (including ours) VERY seriously.

Trump is as idiot as he is ignorant. At least, there is a glimpse of sun: on a procedural level, the US can't pull out before 2020 and Trump is quite likely to not get reelected.

[El Kabong]

When 97% of the world's scientists agree about the problem, that we've been able to measure quite accurately the amount of C02 in the air at staggering levels and when greedy bastards like Disney's CEO got out of Trump gov for this retraction, I think that we can easily say that yes, climate change is a PROBLEM and it would be about time for the denial-ers to get their fact straights and to evaluate the consequences for the species (including ours) VERY seriously.

Trump is as idiot as he is ignorant. At least, there is a glimpse of sun: on a procedural level, the US can't pull out before 2020 and Trump is quite likely to not get reelected.

@Nameless, bruh I respect you and all but there's a few things wrong with what you're saying

#1. That whole "97% of the world's scientists agree" deal is false John Cook started this myth and yeah it's a MYTH that 97% of "The World's Scientists" his survey sample was in the double digits, I think there's more than 99 scientists in the world don't you? ALSO even if you accept that "study" it doesn't provide a magnitude of climate change is it millions of degrees in a matter of years or thousands of feet of seas level change in months? NO! We're not talking whole degrees and we're barely talking millimeters in sea levels OVER DECADES! And it also NEVER weighs in on the benefits of cheap fuels.

#2. CO2 regardless of where it comes from is plant food and therefore limiting that would be bad for?? PLANTS! https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428

#3. The Paris Climate Accord is an "Accord" and not a Treaty ergo Jean Claude Junker can fuck right off with his "Meeeh, you can't leave for years meeeeeeh" bullshit, Treaties have to pass through congress and Barack Obama decided (for some unknown reason ) decided NOT to send this agreement through Congress and therefore it's not a binding treaty because the representatives of the people didn't have their say and President Obama acted like a dictator.

#4. Donald Trump will be reelected people voted for him to do EXACTLY like that. The United States alone isn't flipping the bill for Global Warming/Climate Change et al.



If you see rising water no worries, those are just the tears of Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio.

[brocktonblockbust]

Global warming is a phenomenon which occurs naturally. Mankind has very little to do with it if anything at all. These are fluctuations which occur on waves whose crests and troughs are separated by millions and millions of years

[El Kabong]

Is everyone ready??






It's the end of the Paris Climate Agreement as we know it and I feel fine

[El Kabong]

Maybe this is where I can explain my lack of worry in regards to this issue, not the Paris agreement but the Anthropogenic Climate Change issue as a whole....I see the people talking the most about how Anthropogenic Climate Change is an "Existential threat to our planet/lives/etc" and I don't see them living their lives as if they believe what they are saying for example Al Gore he says quite a lot about climate change: massive storms, rising sea levels, fossil fuels = death etc

And yet we see Al Gore buy a beachfront home in California, we see him jet set in private jets, we see him sell his television company to Al Jazeera which was built and is run with with oil money.


We hear Leo DiCaprio yada yada yada about the Climate and then we see him fly on a private jet from NY to LA SIX times in SIX weeks.



The average person can look at those guys and know for a FACT they don't practice what they preach and when there are people in Pennsylvania and Michigan who have been out of work due to the real life effects of the Paris Climate Accord who don't want to ruin the Earth they just want to be able to provide for their families Anthropogenic Climate Change become an extremely hard sell regardless of what any scientist might say.....sorry dude, feeding my family is priority #1 and if Bill DeBlasio can have a motorcade of SUVs then the world ain't going to go down because I have a hamburger....oh what's that Nobody is saying I can't/shouldn't grill out?


http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marb...ls-smoky-truth


.....and there you have it

[Nameless]

When 97% of the world's scientists agree about the problem, that we've been able to measure quite accurately the amount of C02 in the air at staggering levels and when greedy bastards like Disney's CEO got out of Trump gov for this retraction, I think that we can easily say that yes, climate change is a PROBLEM and it would be about time for the denial-ers to get their fact straights and to evaluate the consequences for the species (including ours) VERY seriously.

Trump is as idiot as he is ignorant. At least, there is a glimpse of sun: on a procedural level, the US can't pull out before 2020 and Trump is quite likely to not get reelected.

@Nameless, bruh I respect you and all but there's a few things wrong with what you're saying

#1. That whole "97% of the world's scientists agree" deal is false John Cook started this myth and yeah it's a MYTH that 97% of "The World's Scientists" his survey sample was in the double digits, I think there's more than 99 scientists in the world don't you? ALSO even if you accept that "study" it doesn't provide a magnitude of climate change is it millions of degrees in a matter of years or thousands of feet of seas level change in months? NO! We're not talking whole degrees and we're barely talking millimeters in sea levels OVER DECADES! And it also NEVER weighs in on the benefits of cheap fuels.

#2. CO2 regardless of where it comes from is plant food and therefore limiting that would be bad for?? PLANTS! https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428

#3. The Paris Climate Accord is an "Accord" and not a Treaty ergo Jean Claude Junker can fuck right off with his "Meeeh, you can't leave for years meeeeeeh" bullshit, Treaties have to pass through congress and Barack Obama decided (for some unknown reason ) decided NOT to send this agreement through Congress and therefore it's not a binding treaty because the representatives of the people didn't have their say and President Obama acted like a dictator.

#4. Donald Trump will be reelected people voted for him to do EXACTLY like that. The United States alone isn't flipping the bill for Global Warming/Climate Change et al.



If you see rising water no worries, those are just the tears of Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio.

No Lyle, it's pretty much true and all the biggest independent agencies all agree on it and there is not one top scientist, from Bill Nye to Neil Degasse who don't agree, including the MIT scientists (which Trump did got schooled because he did misquote them.


Just for a fact, Exxon Mobil knew 40 years ago that the petrol operation were causing climate change (man made, that is), they just refused to never reveal it. HOw do you explain that? The petrol guys themselves admitting it!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-40-years-ago/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change

NOW, just for a fun fact, did you know that the 20 senators that did lobby very very very hard to the orange retard to get out of Paris agreements... did receive 20 millions from the petrol cartel?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ergy-donations

Sorry but when official documents prove the bad guys knew it before climate change was much talked about, it blow the whole bubble that "climate change doesn't exist" in an instant and when they are caught read hand in the jar paying senators to do their dirty job...


Oh, as for the 97% agreeing: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...cientists-many

One important fact checker at forbes listed the whole as more like "between 90 too 100% but not necessarily 97% for various reasons and calling it " a robust consensus" which is still, even when one tries to be picky and sceptic, highly significative. https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenerg.../#c8eb69911576

[walrus]

When 97% of the world's scientists agree about the problem, that we've been able to measure quite accurately the amount of C02 in the air at staggering levels and when greedy bastards like Disney's CEO got out of Trump gov for this retraction, I think that we can easily say that yes, climate change is a PROBLEM and it would be about time for the denial-ers to get their fact straights and to evaluate the consequences for the species (including ours) VERY seriously.

Trump is as idiot as he is ignorant. At least, there is a glimpse of sun: on a procedural level, the US can't pull out before 2020 and Trump is quite likely to not get reelected.

@Nameless, bruh I respect you and all but there's a few things wrong with what you're saying

#1. That whole "97% of the world's scientists agree" deal is false John Cook started this myth and yeah it's a MYTH that 97% of "The World's Scientists" his survey sample was in the double digits, I think there's more than 99 scientists in the world don't you? ALSO even if you accept that "study" it doesn't provide a magnitude of climate change is it millions of degrees in a matter of years or thousands of feet of seas level change in months? NO! We're not talking whole degrees and we're barely talking millimeters in sea levels OVER DECADES! And it also NEVER weighs in on the benefits of cheap fuels.

#2. CO2 regardless of where it comes from is plant food and therefore limiting that would be bad for?? PLANTS! https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428

#3. The Paris Climate Accord is an "Accord" and not a Treaty ergo Jean Claude Junker can fuck right off with his "Meeeh, you can't leave for years meeeeeeh" bullshit, Treaties have to pass through congress and Barack Obama decided (for some unknown reason ) decided NOT to send this agreement through Congress and therefore it's not a binding treaty because the representatives of the people didn't have their say and President Obama acted like a dictator.

#4. Donald Trump will be reelected people voted for him to do EXACTLY like that. The United States alone isn't flipping the bill for Global Warming/Climate Change et al.



If you see rising water no worries, those are just the tears of Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio.

No Lyle, it's pretty much true and all the biggest independent agencies all agree on it and there is not one top scientist, from Bill Nye to Neil Degasse who don't agree, including the MIT scientists (which Trump did got schooled because he did misquote them.


Just for a fact, Exxon Mobil knew 40 years ago that the petrol operation were causing climate change (man made, that is), they just refused to never reveal it. HOw do you explain that? The petrol guys themselves admitting it!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-40-years-ago/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change

NOW, just for a fun fact, did you know that the 20 senators that did lobby very very very hard to the orange retard to get out of Paris agreements... did receive 20 millions from the petrol cartel?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ergy-donations

Sorry but when official documents prove the bad guys knew it before climate change was much talked about, it blow the whole bubble that "climate change doesn't exist" in an instant and when they are caught read hand in the jar paying senators to do their dirty job...


Oh, as for the 97% agreeing: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...cientists-many

One important fact checker at forbes listed the whole as more like "between 90 too 100% but not necessarily 97% for various reasons and calling it " a robust consensus" which is still, even when one tries to be picky and sceptic, highly significative. https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenerg.../#c8eb69911576

Every senator and both parties receive money from the oil cartels. They don't take any chances