Trump withdraws from the 2015 Paris Climate agreement

[El Kabong]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

A town of just about 2,000 people vs 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025





Geez what a hard choice to make



And again....the agreement would have "no discernible effect on global temperatures"....and you are never going to address that part are you? That "no discernible effect on global temperatures" part....you're just going to never talk about that and just hope it goes away.

[walrus]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

A town of just about 2,000 people vs 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025





Geez what a hard choice to make



And again....the agreement would have "no discernible effect on global temperatures"....and you are never going to address that part are you? That "no discernible effect on global temperatures" part....you're just going to never talk about that and just hope it goes away.

Lol the huffington post what a fair and balanced news outlet

[Gandalf]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

A town of just about 2,000 people vs 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025





Geez what a hard choice to make



And again....the agreement would have "no discernible effect on global temperatures"....and you are never going to address that part are you? That "no discernible effect on global temperatures" part....you're just going to never talk about that and just hope it goes away.

Is it all really just about temperature? Maybe it's okay in your bubble, but out there in big cities across the world people are actually suffocating so that negligent corporations can carry on polluting and making a buck at everyone's expense. This is where the rich should cough up (pun intended) as they are making money from suffering. There is a very nice beach area out here, but it is made horrible by nearby heavy industry. I think there comes a point where you say "What are we as a society about? Making money for the few and making the rest suffer, or let's just have a little bit of moderation?" It's not such a lefty, radical suggestion to make.

[Beanz]

http://resistancereport.com/politics...blicans-paris/


Here’s how much Exxon paid Republicans who urged Trump to ditch Paris climate deal

Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyoming): $728,766

Senator Roy Blunt (R-Missouri):

$1,143,574
Senator John Boozman (R-Arkansas): $281,352
Senator Thad Cochran (R-Mississippi): $462,890
Senator John Cornyn (R-Texas): $3,031,956

Senator Mike Crapo (R-Idaho):

$440,937
Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas): $2,484,520
Senator Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming): $513,733
Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah): $772,179
Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah): $281,620
Senator Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky): $1,975,245
Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky): $286,465
Senator David Perdue (R-Georgia): $184,250
Senator Jim Risch (R-Idaho): $209,900
Senator Pat Roberts (R-Kansas): $817,150
Senator Mike Rounds (R-South Dakota): $204,900
Senator Tim Scott (R-South Carolina): $523,276
Senator Richard Shelby (R-Alabama): $532,846
Senator Luther Strange (R-Alabama): (NO DATA AVAILABLE)
Senator Thom Tillis (R-North Carolina): $263,400

Senator Roger Wicker (R-Mississippi):

$686,876

[El Kabong]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

A town of just about 2,000 people vs 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025





Geez what a hard choice to make



And again....the agreement would have "no discernible effect on global temperatures"....and you are never going to address that part are you? That "no discernible effect on global temperatures" part....you're just going to never talk about that and just hope it goes away.

Is it all really just about temperature? Maybe it's okay in your bubble, but out there in big cities across the world people are actually suffocating so that negligent corporations can carry on polluting and making a buck at everyone's expense. This is where the rich should cough up (pun intended) as they are making money from suffering. There is a very nice beach area out here, but it is made horrible by nearby heavy industry. I think there comes a point where you say "What are we as a society about? Making money for the few and making the rest suffer, or let's just have a little bit of moderation?" It's not such a lefty, radical suggestion to make.

When people say "Climate Change" they mean temperature right until you make that a moot point and then it's goal post moving time.


What cities? Where? Do list them off please.



Beanz your tattling on ExxonMobil is noted BUT the Paris Accords were never passed through Congress (thanks Obama) and therefore it was always President Trump's call alone. Also they urged Trump to leave? Dude read that Accord, see the terms and conditions and tell me not only are they 100% good for the climate they are 100% good for the economy AND other nations w were following suit in the exact same manner. Nations told members of the Paris Accord "Fuck you, pay me" but naaash man everything is equal.

[TitoFan]

Rather than having to type out all the counter facts that dismiss Trump's claims regarding job and economy losses to be caused by the Paris Accord, I'll just post this here.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7769826.html



Never mind whether or not one believes in climate change. That's a non-winnable argument. The point here is that Trump, like every other politician before him (yes... Trump is turning into quite the politician), uses numbers at his convenience. Use some, ignore others. Elementary, my dear Watson. Trumpet (no pun intended) the jobs lost in coal..... ignore the jobs NOW to be lost in the emerging clean energy industries. It's all a precarious balance. One FACT that screams out louder than any others, is that dozens of industry CEOs urged Trump NOT to withdraw from the agreement.

But again... the counterarguments about America first... nobody else is doing their share... blah, blah, blah.... will continue to rain down. Never mind that a strong US President would've reassured the world that America isn't abandoning its efforts to protect the environment, even if at the same time expressing concerns about other countries' roles in doing the same. Trump just takes the ball and goes home.... game over.

[El Kabong]

MMMMMMMMM clean energy

[El Kabong]

CLEAN energy.....makes the environment so good, soooo good

[Master]

Oh no! We have had a misfortunate accident, lets cancel the who programme and go back to fossil fuel.

[El Kabong]

Oh no! We have had a misfortunate accident, lets cancel the who programme and go back to fossil fuel.

Wind turbines kill an estimated 140,000 to 328,000 birds (some endangered and/or protected species as well) each year in North America (just in North America and they didn't even include dead bats in there either)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...06320713003522


But I'm sorry you were being sarcastic and dismissive....



Do you care about the environment or not? Is this even about the environment or not?

[Beanz]

Oh no! We have had a misfortunate accident, lets cancel the who programme and go back to fossil fuel.

Wind turbines kill an estimated 140,000 to 328,000 birds (some endangered and/or protected species as well) each year in North America (just in North America and they didn't even include dead bats in there either)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...06320713003522


But I'm sorry you were being sarcastic and dismissive....



Do you care about the environment or not? Is this even about the environment or not?

Ha! you are a fucking Riot Lyle.


Literally seconds on the site you misquoted from turns up this from YOUR SOURCE


"The study estimates that wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible each for between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh. While this paper should be respected as a preliminary assessment, the estimate means that wind farms killed approximately seven thousand birds in the United States in 2006 but nuclear plants killed about 327,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 14.5 million."



http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...01421509001074



So Seven Thousand or 14.5 Million? which is the high number Lyle ?

[Beanz]

Contextualizing avian mortality.


It is what you refuse to do with any of your arguments. It's not just me, why do you think most posters can not be bothered to TRY and debate with you?

[El Kabong]

Ha! you are a fucking Riot Lyle.


Literally seconds on the site you misquoted from turns up this from YOUR SOURCE


"The study estimates that wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible each for between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh. While this paper should be respected as a preliminary assessment, the estimate means that wind farms killed approximately seven thousand birds in the United States in 2006 but nuclear plants killed about 327,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 14.5 million."



http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...01421509001074



So Seven Thousand or 14.5 Million? which is the high number Lyle ?

OK Beanz, I give....I'll concede the point

http://savetheeaglesinternational.or...y-thought.html
http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...nap-story.html


But hey I admire you greenies out there really caring about things, you CARE .....with your HEART

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-124537-9804r/

Which is why those fighting the "Let's use green energy" battles are so trustworthy and not preachy.

[Kirkland Laing]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/09/us...and/index.html

[Kirkland Laing]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

A town of just about 2,000 people vs 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025





Geez what a hard choice to make



And again....the agreement would have "no discernible effect on global temperatures"....and you are never going to address that part are you? That "no discernible effect on global temperatures" part....you're just going to never talk about that and just hope it goes away.

What about the other thousands of miles of US coastline you fucking idiot? And what 2.7 million jobs?