Jeremy Corbyn: Master of the 'high five'.

[Beanz]

The Gatestone Institute is a FAR RIGHT anti Islamic Pro Isreal, Pro Christian, Think Tank.


It is possibly the most biased source you could choose to defend your non-existent argument.

Then I guess we shouldn't worry about England having another terrorist attack then. Thanks for putting my mind at ease, phew....that is a load off.....no more terrorism in the UK. From here on out it's smooth sailing.




Right Beanz?

Of course not why why I say that ? How is you using an extreme right wing think tank as an excuse to spout your ignorant bollocks going to put anyone's mind at ease? Why should any Brit be worried about putting YOUR mind at ease?

[El Kabong]

Of course not why why I say that ? How is you using an extreme right wing think tank as an excuse to spout your ignorant bollocks going to put anyone's mind at ease? Why should any Brit be worried about putting YOUR mind at ease?

The problem we have here Beanz is that I'm quick to respond to terrorist attacks and say "Well it's a Militant Muslim who did this" typically I wait to read about how the attack took place and then dots are connected and it's plain as day who the perpetrator is/was. When I do that for some reason you get upset, I don't wish to make you upset, but at the same time I wonder what is going through your mind. I imagine it's more "Gee that is bad, I hope everyone is ok. How horrible, their families must be worried sick" worrying about the victims their families and all which is all well and good I don't have anything bad to say about it.....I just wonder why there's this hesitance to say who the perpetrator was, what they believe in, and why they did what they did? It should no longer come as a shock that it's Islamic Radicals. So a "OMG sooooo far right wing think tank" posts a survey they did and you dismiss it because it's right wing....alright then, what of the Pew Poll of Muslims? Is that wrong too? Is it wrong to look at the stats provided to us, to the world, and say "I think Islam has a bit of a problem"? But any time I criticize Islam you take great offense....Christianity ain't perfect in any of it's forms, it's a man made religion so obviously there will be flaws. Christianity worked out it's huge violent flaws AGES ago meanwhile Islam is in progress of being extremely violent....but I can't mention that?

The facts that I know and accept in regards to Militant Islam are as follows: 1. Jihadis are in our countries 2. Jihadis in our countries will attack our citizens 3. Apparently there are so many that they are hard to keep track of 4. there are Imams and Madrasas that are radicalizing more of these people every single day 5. It is only a matter of time before there is another attack on either of our nations and it'll suck really bad.


Brits shouldn't worry about my mind, I'm just saying the attacks are coming from inside both of our countries, that's a horrible thing AND if people aren't wise to the problem then it's not going to get better. I would like the problem to get better and in order for that to happen SOMETHING must be done, what that something is can be up for debate but just waiting for the next attack...that ain't cutting it for me.

[Beanz]

Of course not why why I say that ? How is you using an extreme right wing think tank as an excuse to spout your ignorant bollocks going to put anyone's mind at ease? Why should any Brit be worried about putting YOUR mind at ease?

The problem we have here Beanz is that I'm quick to respond to terrorist attacks and say "Well it's a Militant Muslim who did this" typically I wait to read about how the attack took place and then dots are connected and it's plain as day who the perpetrator is/was. When I do that for some reason you get upset, I don't wish to make you upset, but at the same time I wonder what is going through your mind. I imagine it's more "Gee that is bad, I hope everyone is ok. How horrible, their families must be worried sick" worrying about the victims their families and all which is all well and good I don't have anything bad to say about it.....I just wonder why there's this hesitance to say who the perpetrator was, what they believe in, and why they did what they did? It should no longer come as a shock that it's Islamic Radicals. So a "OMG sooooo far right wing think tank" posts a survey they did and you dismiss it because it's right wing....alright then, what of the Pew Poll of Muslims? Is that wrong too? Is it wrong to look at the stats provided to us, to the world, and say "I think Islam has a bit of a problem"? But any time I criticize Islam you take great offense....Christianity ain't perfect in any of it's forms, it's a man made religion so obviously there will be flaws. Christianity worked out it's huge violent flaws AGES ago meanwhile Islam is in progress of being extremely violent....but I can't mention that?

The facts that I know and accept in regards to Militant Islam are as follows: 1. Jihadis are in our countries 2. Jihadis in our countries will attack our citizens 3. Apparently there are so many that they are hard to keep track of 4. there are Imams and Madrasas that are radicalizing more of these people every single day 5. It is only a matter of time before there is another attack on either of our nations and it'll suck really bad.


Brits shouldn't worry about my mind, I'm just saying the attacks are coming from inside both of our countries, that's a horrible thing AND if people aren't wise to the problem then it's not going to get better. I would like the problem to get better and in order for that to happen SOMETHING must be done, what that something is can be up for debate but just waiting for the next attack...that ain't cutting it for me.

The problem is that the last 'Muslim' terrorist was supported by the very people claiming to protect us from them, not who you would call the naive apologists on the left. Muslims clerics have declared fatwas on such people and repeated many times how heinous they regard their crimes. They have refused to bless or bury the terrorists and kicked them out of Mosques and reported them to the authorities. When all that happens it is not going to solve anything to pretend that is a case where Islam is the main reason for these fucked up scummy people doing what they do.


I am not offended by you criticizing Islam and nowhere have I tried to censor you saying that it is violent. I may have countered your argument and pointed out how flawed I think judging a culture or religion by those nutjobs who use it as an excuse to maim and kill is but that is not the same thing. When there is hesitance to say who the perpetrator is in this country it is because journalists have got it wrong before and widely assumed narratives are often later withdrawn, not because we have a societal wide problem of denial. The organised network often ends up being one or two individuals and ascribing all this power to tiny factions of people plays into their hands. While it is important not to censor the news more care could be placed in showing some perspective. That is why communities showing solidarity and stoicism is important. Not to pretend nothing has happened or that carrying on with daily life is more important than stopping further attacks or punishing accomplices but to deny them the oxygen of fear and free publicity. To give them and their ideology a big fuck you.

[brocktonblockbust]

Well all that pussyfooting around and tip toeing certainly hasn't denied them any Oxygen yet has it?

[Beanz]

Well all that pussyfooting around and tip toeing certainly hasn't denied them any Oxygen yet has it?

So now you are for the toppling of Gaddafi? Make your mind up Steve stop trying to make everything into soundbite simplistic bollocks. You are better than that.

[brocktonblockbust]

Well all that pussyfooting around and tip toeing certainly hasn't denied them any Oxygen yet has it?

So now you are for the toppling of Gaddafi? Make your mind up Steve stop trying to make everything into soundbite simplistic bollocks. You are better than that.

I have not even mentioned the name Khadafi where did you pull that gem out of your ass?

[El Kabong]

The problem is that the last 'Muslim' terrorist was supported by the very people claiming to protect us from them, not who you would call the naive apologists on the left. Muslims clerics have declared fatwas on such people and repeated many times how heinous they regard their crimes. They have refused to bless or bury the terrorists and kicked them out of Mosques and reported them to the authorities. When all that happens it is not going to solve anything to pretend that is a case where Islam is the main reason for these fucked up scummy people doing what they do.


I am not offended by you criticizing Islam and nowhere have I tried to censor you saying that it is violent. I may have countered your argument and pointed out how flawed I think judging a culture or religion by those nutjobs who use it as an excuse to maim and kill is but that is not the same thing. When there is hesitance to say who the perpetrator is in this country it is because journalists have got it wrong before and widely assumed narratives are often later withdrawn, not because we have a societal wide problem of denial. The organised network often ends up being one or two individuals and ascribing all this power to tiny factions of people plays into their hands. While it is important not to censor the news more care could be placed in showing some perspective. That is why communities showing solidarity and stoicism is important. Not to pretend nothing has happened or that carrying on with daily life is more important than stopping further attacks or punishing accomplices but to deny them the oxygen of fear and free publicity. To give them and their ideology a big fuck you.

Well maybe this is where the UK and United States differ because I swear to you the media here wants nothing more than (and you can see examples of it in the Wikileaks emails) a white conservative/republican to be the culprit, they want Tim McVeigh again again again and then again. They DREAM of having that be the case, they want Dylann Roof 24/7.



"Better if a guy named Sayeed Farouk was reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter."


I will say this, I am quite happy that the Australian Imam Tawhidi has stood up so courageously FOR his religion and AGAINST the terrorists. I see that right now Islam is at a crossroads it's either going the way of Abu Bakar al Baghdadi or it's going the way of Imam Tawhidi. One way is compatible with a peaceful world, the other is not. One is a step forward the other is a step backwards.


At the end of the day I think we all want this whole terrorism thing sorted out so we don't have to drop bombs or fly drones over to the Middle East and that they don't plot to blow us up....the rocky road is how do we get there from here?