Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
The problem is that the last 'Muslim' terrorist was supported by the very people claiming to protect us from them, not who you would call the naive apologists on the left. Muslims clerics have declared fatwas on such people and repeated many times how heinous they regard their crimes. They have refused to bless or bury the terrorists and kicked them out of Mosques and reported them to the authorities. When all that happens it is not going to solve anything to pretend that is a case where Islam is the main reason for these fucked up scummy people doing what they do.


I am not offended by you criticizing Islam and nowhere have I tried to censor you saying that it is violent. I may have countered your argument and pointed out how flawed I think judging a culture or religion by those nutjobs who use it as an excuse to maim and kill is but that is not the same thing. When there is hesitance to say who the perpetrator is in this country it is because journalists have got it wrong before and widely assumed narratives are often later withdrawn, not because we have a societal wide problem of denial. The organised network often ends up being one or two individuals and ascribing all this power to tiny factions of people plays into their hands. While it is important not to censor the news more care could be placed in showing some perspective. That is why communities showing solidarity and stoicism is important. Not to pretend nothing has happened or that carrying on with daily life is more important than stopping further attacks or punishing accomplices but to deny them the oxygen of fear and free publicity. To give them and their ideology a big fuck you.
Well maybe this is where the UK and United States differ because I swear to you the media here wants nothing more than (and you can see examples of it in the Wikileaks emails) a white conservative/republican to be the culprit, they want Tim McVeigh again again again and then again. They DREAM of having that be the case, they want Dylann Roof 24/7.



"Better if a guy named Sayeed Farouk was reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter."


I will say this, I am quite happy that the Australian Imam Tawhidi has stood up so courageously FOR his religion and AGAINST the terrorists. I see that right now Islam is at a crossroads it's either going the way of Abu Bakar al Baghdadi or it's going the way of Imam Tawhidi. One way is compatible with a peaceful world, the other is not. One is a step forward the other is a step backwards.


At the end of the day I think we all want this whole terrorism thing sorted out so we don't have to drop bombs or fly drones over to the Middle East and that they don't plot to blow us up....the rocky road is how do we get there from here?