Finsbury attack

[TitoFan]

Does it really matter that much WHAT label we use on these killers?

[Gandalf]

I think it is inevitable and will happen again if Muslims don't stop their own assaults on Western society. They run the prisons and you have gangs and rapes in places like Rotherham. Even I look at images of London these days and wonder where the traditional English went. Add bombings and extremism to the mix and suddenly you might start to feel threatened. A cat in a corner will strike. Just glad I am nowhere near the mix. It looks really grim. I remember years ago working around Manchester and you have some well dodgy areas where there are obvious tensions. That was nearly 20 years ago! Even I have no real understanding of just how serious the changes are now. The worst happened while I was gone.

[brocktonblockbust]

I agree with Memphis and walrus and dark lord Al

[El Kabong]

Does it really matter that much WHAT label we use on these killers?

Apparently it does because unless you call white people who kill the worst things ever then




I guess something happens and I guess all POC killers are justified in their actions or something....I don't know, you'll have to ask Black Hitler about that

[Beanz]

I agree with Memphis and walrus and dark lord Al

Flip flop away. Whatever ingratiates you the most I suppose. So basically you don't think this guy was a terrorist but the black guy driving another white van in Westminster was? I can't keep up with you.

[walrus]

Walrus you are literally just making stuff up to suit your own agenda. All these people are motivated by hatred and being mental does not excuse them. The incitement and encouragement of that hatred is present here on the forum. Threads are made compulsively and continuously encouraging that hatred and seeking to make that the mainstream accepted way to carry on, as though that is normal and anyone not agreeing is a freak. Normalising extremism.

Wtf am I making up. I'm just contrasting radical Islamic terrorism to the possibility that this idiot in England that drove into the mosque crowd might be a true nutter not motivated by the desire to die for religious ideals. You guys brought up the mental illness part and I commented on it. Damn beanz.

[walrus]

This was not a terrorist attack . a terrorist has a political agenda.This guy was a wack job trying to kill muslims.

Trying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.

The terrorists usually put together a plan a coordinated with a group and have a plan to carry out after the initial event. These suicide bombers they have caught that either failed to blow the vest or were caught prior to the event exhibited no sign of acute mental illness. That's is not true in 100 percent of the cases but look how the 9/11 guys were able to remain under the radar. They were not schizophrenic etc. I know nothing of the of the dude who drove into the mosque people, certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was clinically insane. There is a big difference between an unstable guy thinking he is carrying out a revenge attack if this is what it was and someone who is following directions from the Koran or an organized group. The whole thing is a shame. You English are a violent lot.

Guy lived in Wales and married with 3/4 children.

Doesn't mean anything master. You work with mental illness in your profession I assume. I've had doctors on my case loads that had breakdowns in later life and required structured programs to get by.

[Master]

This was not a terrorist attack . a terrorist has a political agenda.This guy was a wack job trying to kill muslims.

Trying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.

The terrorists usually put together a plan a coordinated with a group and have a plan to carry out after the initial event. These suicide bombers they have caught that either failed to blow the vest or were caught prior to the event exhibited no sign of acute mental illness. That's is not true in 100 percent of the cases but look how the 9/11 guys were able to remain under the radar. They were not schizophrenic etc. I know nothing of the of the dude who drove into the mosque people, certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was clinically insane. There is a big difference between an unstable guy thinking he is carrying out a revenge attack if this is what it was and someone who is following directions from the Koran or an organized group. The whole thing is a shame. You English are a violent lot.

Guy lived in Wales and married with 3/4 children.

Doesn't mean anything master. You work with mental illness in your profession I assume. I've had doctors on my case loads that had breakdowns in later life and required structured programs to get by.

I know but seemed to have a normal everyday family life.

[El Kabong]

I know but seemed to have a normal everyday family life.

As did Charles Whitman (the Texas Tower Shooter) but there were a number of stressors in his life right before he decided to grab a rifle and start picking off college kids AND upon autopsy a pecan sized brain tumor was removed which may have (emphasis on the MAY) kept him from being his normal self.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

[Beanz]

I think it is inevitable and will happen again if Muslims don't stop their own assaults on Western society. They run the prisons and you have gangs and rapes in places like Rotherham. Even I look at images of London these days and wonder where the traditional English went. Add bombings and extremism to the mix and suddenly you might start to feel threatened. A cat in a corner will strike. Just glad I am nowhere near the mix. It looks really grim. I remember years ago working around Manchester and you have some well dodgy areas where there are obvious tensions. That was nearly 20 years ago! Even I have no real understanding of just how serious the changes are now. The worst happened while I was gone.

None of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.

[brocktonblockbust]

I agree with Memphis and walrus and dark lord Al

Flip flop away. Whatever ingratiates you the most I suppose. So basically you don't think this guy was a terrorist but the black guy driving another white van in Westminster was? I can't keep up with you.

The "black guy"? You mean the Muslim Terrorist you twit?

[Beanz]

This was not a terrorist attack . a terrorist has a political agenda.This guy was a wack job trying to kill muslims.

Trying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.

The terrorists usually put together a plan a coordinated with a group and have a plan to carry out after the initial event. These suicide bombers they have caught that either failed to blow the vest or were caught prior to the event exhibited no sign of acute mental illness. That's is not true in 100 percent of the cases but look how the 9/11 guys were able to remain under the radar. They were not schizophrenic etc. I know nothing of the of the dude who drove into the mosque people, certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was clinically insane. There is a big difference between an unstable guy thinking he is carrying out a revenge attack if this is what it was and someone who is following directions from the Koran or an organized group. The whole thing is a shame. You English are a violent lot.

Guy lived in Wales and married with 3/4 children.

Doesn't mean anything master. You work with mental illness in your profession I assume. I've had doctors on my case loads that had breakdowns in later life and required structured programs to get by.

I think it is fair to say that your last five words probably would explain that response. I know you may be unaware but there are just as many racist Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish( if not more as a percentage) but it's always the English who get it in the neck when the media reports stuff. That is why when Americans post things from Tommy Robinson or the English Defence League that is pisses off people like myself who are proud of being English. The white twat who did this was out not only to terrorize but to kill a specific group, because like most Islamic terrorists he was a thick bigoted ignorant cunt. Again though all the right wing white guys here are suggesting he is not a terrorist because he must have had a breakdown etc and it matters. Why?


Not because of labels or being PC but because the specific reason he felt able to do this and the same reason the people who killed the old muslim geezer after Lee Rigby was killed is because they knew that people like you lot would not put them in the same brackets as terrorists and somehow blame it on something else. Fucking ironic that people who fill the forum (not you) with threads about political correctness, free speech and calling a spade a spade can't wait to jump in start fucking crying about some cunt being called a terrorist.


oooh don't call him a spade he is a broken shovel


Fucking pathetic

[brocktonblockbust]

Black Rod strikes again.

[El Kabong]

My issue is when people start saying "What about James Holmes? What about Dylann Roof?" .....because not every murderer is a terrorist. Is Darren Osborne a terrorist? Why is he a terrorist and why MUST he be labeled as one? He's certainly a murderer but what makes him a terrorist?

Are we really going to argue over names and words?



Fucking bullshit word salad nonsense

[Beanz]

My issue is when people start saying "What about James Holmes? What about Dylann Roof?" .....because not every murderer is a terrorist. Is Darren Osborne a terrorist? Why is he a terrorist and why MUST he be labeled as one? He's certainly a murderer but what makes him a terrorist?

Are we really going to argue over names and words?



Fucking bullshit word salad nonsense

Then how even more of a ridiculous a complaint is it for Brockton to be moaning about how fast someone called him a terrorist ?