Finsbury attack

[walrus]

I think it is inevitable and will happen again if Muslims don't stop their own assaults on Western society. They run the prisons and you have gangs and rapes in places like Rotherham. Even I look at images of London these days and wonder where the traditional English went. Add bombings and extremism to the mix and suddenly you might start to feel threatened. A cat in a corner will strike. Just glad I am nowhere near the mix. It looks really grim. I remember years ago working around Manchester and you have some well dodgy areas where there are obvious tensions. That was nearly 20 years ago! Even I have no real understanding of just how serious the changes are now. The worst happened while I was gone.

None of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.

What Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.

[walrus]

With we humans violence begets violence unless you are a monk finding inner peace which involves departing yourself from the craziness of society for a long time

[Beanz]

I think it is inevitable and will happen again if Muslims don't stop their own assaults on Western society. They run the prisons and you have gangs and rapes in places like Rotherham. Even I look at images of London these days and wonder where the traditional English went. Add bombings and extremism to the mix and suddenly you might start to feel threatened. A cat in a corner will strike. Just glad I am nowhere near the mix. It looks really grim. I remember years ago working around Manchester and you have some well dodgy areas where there are obvious tensions. That was nearly 20 years ago! Even I have no real understanding of just how serious the changes are now. The worst happened while I was gone.

None of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.

What Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.

Yes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.

[brocktonblockbust]

I think it is inevitable and will happen again if Muslims don't stop their own assaults on Western society. They run the prisons and you have gangs and rapes in places like Rotherham. Even I look at images of London these days and wonder where the traditional English went. Add bombings and extremism to the mix and suddenly you might start to feel threatened. A cat in a corner will strike. Just glad I am nowhere near the mix. It looks really grim. I remember years ago working around Manchester and you have some well dodgy areas where there are obvious tensions. That was nearly 20 years ago! Even I have no real understanding of just how serious the changes are now. The worst happened while I was gone.

None of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.

What Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.

Yes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.

Means you're my friend but that is a really stupid point. You are just speculating what beans would do I mean what walrus would do if it were the other way around. You are actually an a****** because you know I don't like white people too much so I don't have any problem with calling the white person at terrorist. You are just so confused and inconsistent that you just couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. I think you should stick to small-town politics over there in Plymouth and just talk about some pasties and things of that nature Mate.

[El Kabong]

Yes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.

Abu Hamza was a preacher at that very mosque....he lost his hands and an eye fucking around with explosives for the Pakistanis and you couldn't tell he was a baddy? Dude had hook hands and 1 eye....he's a Bond villain 3 times over and "Oopsy daisy" he slips through the system


By the by...Abu Hamza is in a maximum security prison and now has fucking sporks for hands.......sporks

Then how even more of a ridiculous a complaint is it for Brockton to be moaning about how fast someone called him a terrorist ?

Words have meaning.


Terrorist (noun) - a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


So that would mean James Hodgkinson = Terrorist, Darren Osborne = murderer.....UNLESS you consider Muslims a political group OR you consider the attack politically motivated rather than a revenge attack and I wouldn't be the person to ask about that because I'm not Darren Osbourne or his lawyer.

I will say this, it won't matter if everyone labels Darren Osbourne a terrorist the British government have proven how fucking weak they are at dealing with their ilk. No offense to the British people, but face facts, your government let you down big time, same with the US government and the Tsarnaevs or Bin Laden

[Beanz]

Yes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.

Abu Hamza was a preacher at that very mosque....he lost his hands and an eye fucking around with explosives for the Pakistanis and you couldn't tell he was a baddy? Dude had hook hands and 1 eye....he's a Bond villain 3 times over and "Oopsy daisy" he slips through the system


By the by...Abu Hamza is in a maximum security prison and now has fucking sporks for hands.......sporks

Then how even more of a ridiculous a complaint is it for Brockton to be moaning about how fast someone called him a terrorist ?

Words have meaning.


Terrorist (noun) - a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


So that would mean James Hodgkinson = Terrorist, Darren Osborne = murderer.....UNLESS you consider Muslims a political group OR you consider the attack politically motivated rather than a revenge attack and I wouldn't be the person to ask about that because I'm not Darren Osbourne or his lawyer.

I will say this, it won't matter if everyone labels Darren Osbourne a terrorist the British government have proven how fucking weak they are at dealing with their ilk. No offense to the British people, but face facts, your government let you down big time, same with the US government and the Tsarnaevs or Bin Laden

Wow


Who other than you suggested that Hamza was anything other than an Islamic extremist ? You are just making stuff up again. If a white guy purposefully driving a van into muslims and then proclaiming that he wants to kill more muslims does not fulfill your definition of an extremist than you are pretty fucked up.


If a white guy goes up to a serving member of parliament and shoots her whilst shouting "Death to traitors" and yet you and your mob refuse to call him, Thomas Mair a terrorist, then you are simply apologizing for and seeking to excuse terrorist extremists. Even in the best case scenario it is you lot who are fucking being snowflakes about words.


On every level in law and in common sense these scum fulfill the criteria for being labelled what they are. Murdering people is both violence and intimidation and erasing muslims or killing somebody whose whole life is devoted to a political attitude you oppose is certainly something done in the pursuit of political aims.


But none of you can bring yourself to say it because you have been spouting off bollox suggesting that innocent Muslims should be held responsible.

This is a mosque that having rid itself of extremists is a model of integration and yet you all still want to bring it back to blaming Muslims


You have all just shown your true colours . It's hardly a surprise

[Dark Lord Al]

I have already confirmed it was not a terrorist attack , whatever the muslims and liberals would like to think.
islam is not a race , nor proven way of life it is controlism for the ignorant , derived for a foreign land.

[Beanz]

I think it is inevitable and will happen again if Muslims don't stop their own assaults on Western society. They run the prisons and you have gangs and rapes in places like Rotherham. Even I look at images of London these days and wonder where the traditional English went. Add bombings and extremism to the mix and suddenly you might start to feel threatened. A cat in a corner will strike. Just glad I am nowhere near the mix. It looks really grim. I remember years ago working around Manchester and you have some well dodgy areas where there are obvious tensions. That was nearly 20 years ago! Even I have no real understanding of just how serious the changes are now. The worst happened while I was gone.

None of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.

What Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.

Yes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.

Means you're my friend but that is a really stupid point. You are just speculating what beans would do I mean what walrus would do if it were the other way around. You are actually an a****** because you know I don't like white people too much so I don't have any problem with calling the white person at terrorist. You are just so confused and inconsistent that you just couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. I think you should stick to small-town politics over there in Plymouth and just talk about some pasties and things of that nature Mate.

You can think what you want. You don't have to demonstrate your ignorance or racist condescending swell headed nature so explicitly, but you seem intent on just being a prick for the sake of it and so life goes on. What a sad shit life you must lead to put so much effort into being a dick.

[Dark Lord Al]

I think it is inevitable and will happen again if Muslims don't stop their own assaults on Western society. They run the prisons and you have gangs and rapes in places like Rotherham. Even I look at images of London these days and wonder where the traditional English went. Add bombings and extremism to the mix and suddenly you might start to feel threatened. A cat in a corner will strike. Just glad I am nowhere near the mix. It looks really grim. I remember years ago working around Manchester and you have some well dodgy areas where there are obvious tensions. That was nearly 20 years ago! Even I have no real understanding of just how serious the changes are now. The worst happened while I was gone.

None of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.

What Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.

Yes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.

Means you're my friend but that is a really stupid point. You are just speculating what beans would do I mean what walrus would do if it were the other way around. You are actually an a****** because you know I don't like white people too much so I don't have any problem with calling the white person at terrorist. You are just so confused and inconsistent that you just couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. I think you should stick to small-town politics over there in Plymouth and just talk about some pasties and things of that nature Mate.

You can think what you want. You don't have to demonstrate your ignorance or racist condescending swell headed nature so explicitly, but you seem intent on just being a prick for the sake of it and so life goes on. What a sad shit life you must lead to put so much effort into being a dick.

You two need to understand that even friends can have a very different view on life , it doesn't make you a bad person.

[El Kabong]

Wow


Who other than you suggested that Hamza was anything other than an Islamic extremist ? You are just making stuff up again. If a white guy purposefully driving a van into muslims and then proclaiming that he wants to kill more muslims does not fulfill your definition of an extremist than you are pretty fucked up.


If a white guy goes up to a serving member of parliament and shoots her whilst shouting "Death to traitors" and yet you and your mob refuse to call him, Thomas Mair a terrorist, then you are simply apologizing for and seeking to excuse terrorist extremists. Even in the best case scenario it is you lot who are fucking being snowflakes about words.


On every level in law and in common sense these scum fulfill the criteria for being labelled what they are. Murdering people is both violence and intimidation and erasing muslims or killing somebody whose whole life is devoted to a political attitude you oppose is certainly something done in the pursuit of political aims.


But none of you can bring yourself to say it because you have been spouting off bollox suggesting that innocent Muslims should be held responsible.

This is a mosque that having rid itself of extremists is a model of integration and yet you all still want to bring it back to blaming Muslims


You have all just shown your true colours . It's hardly a surprise

I could go without your faux outrage for a bit. I ask if people had insurance in a nation where there's the good ol' NHS and what do I get from you? "Wow" I post about why words have meaning and how this guy isn't a terrorist he's a murderer but nah nah, this is how we work now, we work THIS way, if Muslims are terrorists when they do something, then if a White person does something then TERRORIST!!!!


OK then, call him a terrorist but only then change the word to mean murderer.


Any other SJW nonsense you want to bring up while we're at it?


"If a white guy......" ummm Murderer? Assassin? Those not fitting? OK Terrorist then. He's a terrorist. Are you happy? I called him a terrorist.


If a(singular) Muslim knew of the attacks planned in London or Manchester and didn't tell the authorities.....are they innocent?


They can have a closed off group which doesn't assimilate into you culture or they can be individually looked at they can't... @Beanz, they CAN'T have both.



But hey hey there's been an attack by a white man, ain't ya worried about retaliatory attacks against white men? Ain't ya gonna say #notALLwhiteguys?


No?



NO??


Well then, I guess we see the double standard now don't we?




At least, AT FUCKING LEAST he wasn't on a watch list.....but that was probably due to racism

[Beanz]

I have already confirmed it was not a terrorist attack , whatever the muslims and liberals would like to think.
islam is not a race , nor proven way of life it is controlism for the ignorant , derived for a foreign land.

You have confirmed your opinion that it was not a terrorist attack. That is hardly a surprising conclusion for you to draw, but your reasoning and argument is fundamentally flawed. It is the radicalized that are ignorant and deluded, and you are just espousing similar sentiments as the people you are condemning.


A far right Islamaphobe or a far right Islamic Fundamentalist are both ignorant and stupid, believing that the group they oppose, whether that be Muslims or Christian/Secular Western non-muslims, are all exactly the same with the same unchanging nature and character. They are both as dangerous as each other. They want to lash out and kill innocent people en masse to justify their own bigoted prejudice.


There are over a billion Muslims in the world and yet everyone seems intent on homogenizing them in a way they never would with Christians, Jews or Atheists. It's just lazy thinking to wish them all to be ignorant and to suggest it is not a way of life or race is nonsensical and does nothing to advance the argument that attacking and seeking to kill them is in no way terrorism.

[El Kabong]

I have already confirmed it was not a terrorist attack , whatever the muslims and liberals would like to think.
islam is not a race , nor proven way of life it is controlism for the ignorant , derived for a foreign land.

You have confirmed your opinion that it was not a terrorist attack. That is hardly a surprising conclusion for you to draw, but your reasoning and argument is fundamentally flawed. It is the radicalized that are ignorant and deluded, and you are just espousing similar sentiments as the people you are condemning.


A far right Islamaphobe or a far right Islamic Fundamentalist are both ignorant and stupid, believing that the group they oppose, whether that be Muslims or Christian/Secular Western non-muslims, are all exactly the same with the same unchanging nature and character. They are both as dangerous as each other. They want to lash out and kill innocent people en masse to justify their own bigoted prejudice.


There are over a billion Muslims in the world and yet everyone seems intent on homogenizing them in a way they never would with Christians, Jews or Atheists. It's just lazy thinking to wish them all to be ignorant and to suggest it is not a way of life or race is nonsensical and does nothing to advance the argument that attacking and seeking to kill them is in no way terrorism.

Christians, Jews, Atheists, et al don't BELIEVE in death for homosexuality, apostasy, etc in the rates that Muslims do IN GENERAL.


I'm sorry, there's a stereotype for a reason





....yeah yeah yeah, I know "But it's a right wing" yada yada yada....the Pew Poll is what it is

[Beanz]

Wow


Who other than you suggested that Hamza was anything other than an Islamic extremist ? You are just making stuff up again. If a white guy purposefully driving a van into muslims and then proclaiming that he wants to kill more muslims does not fulfill your definition of an extremist than you are pretty fucked up.


If a white guy goes up to a serving member of parliament and shoots her whilst shouting "Death to traitors" and yet you and your mob refuse to call him, Thomas Mair a terrorist, then you are simply apologizing for and seeking to excuse terrorist extremists. Even in the best case scenario it is you lot who are fucking being snowflakes about words.


On every level in law and in common sense these scum fulfill the criteria for being labelled what they are. Murdering people is both violence and intimidation and erasing muslims or killing somebody whose whole life is devoted to a political attitude you oppose is certainly something done in the pursuit of political aims.


But none of you can bring yourself to say it because you have been spouting off bollox suggesting that innocent Muslims should be held responsible.

This is a mosque that having rid itself of extremists is a model of integration and yet you all still want to bring it back to blaming Muslims


You have all just shown your true colours . It's hardly a surprise

I could go without your faux outrage for a bit. I ask if people had insurance in a nation where there's the good ol' NHS and what do I get from you? "Wow" I post about why words have meaning and how this guy isn't a terrorist he's a murderer but nah nah, this is how we work now, we work THIS way, if Muslims are terrorists when they do something, then if a White person does something then TERRORIST!!!!


OK then, call him a terrorist but only then change the word to mean murderer.


Any other SJW nonsense you want to bring up while we're at it?


"If a white guy......" ummm Murderer? Assassin? Those not fitting? OK Terrorist then. He's a terrorist. Are you happy? I called him a terrorist.


If a(singular) Muslim knew of the attacks planned in London or Manchester and didn't tell the authorities.....are they innocent?


They can have a closed off group which doesn't assimilate into you culture or they can be individually looked at they can't... @Beanz, they CAN'T have both.



But hey hey there's been an attack by a white man, ain't ya worried about retaliatory attacks against white men? Ain't ya gonna say #notALLwhiteguys?


No?



NO??


Well then, I guess we see the double standard now don't we?




At least, AT FUCKING LEAST he wasn't on a watch list.....but that was probably due to racism

The guy who killed all those people in Westminster was a lone wolf. He acted alone and had a history of violence. That does not mean he was not a terrorist. He, just like the right wing nut who plowed into those muslims was ideologically motivated. They are both terrorists because their aim was to terrorize, maim and kill people.

You really need to read stuff Lyle. In this thread I have already said how pissed off I am that other posters suggested that the English were a violent lot when the bloke was Welsh. There are no double standards, the double standards are being introduced by people insisting that while Khalid Massood (The Westminster van killer) was a terrorist, that Darren Osborne apparently is not, despite expressing a hatred of Muslims and trying to kill loads of them.


It's not rocket science.

[El Kabong]

Then call him a terrorist for fucks sake and be fucking done with it Beanz....what good is it? It's a WORD.


What terrorist organization did Darren Osbourne belong to? White Dudes Inc? Call him whatever you want to....should I say "him" Beanz? Want me to ask what his preferred gender pronoun is before making a guess too? Same shit

[Dark Lord Al]

I have already confirmed it was not a terrorist attack , whatever the muslims and liberals would like to think.
islam is not a race , nor proven way of life it is controlism for the ignorant , derived for a foreign land.

You have confirmed your opinion that it was not a terrorist attack. That is hardly a surprising conclusion for you to draw, but your reasoning and argument is fundamentally flawed. It is the radicalized that are ignorant and deluded, and you are just espousing similar sentiments as the people you are condemning.


A far right Islamaphobe or a far right Islamic Fundamentalist are both ignorant and stupid, believing that the group they oppose, whether that be Muslims or Christian/Secular Western non-muslims, are all exactly the same with the same unchanging nature and character. They are both as dangerous as each other. They want to lash out and kill innocent people en masse to justify their own bigoted prejudice.


There are over a billion Muslims in the world and yet everyone seems intent on homogenizing them in a way they never would with Christians, Jews or Atheists. It's just lazy thinking to wish them all to be ignorant and to suggest it is not a way of life or race is nonsensical and does nothing to advance the argument that attacking and seeking to kill them is in no way terrorism.

To claim this as a terrorist attack is a farce.
One man working alone , no others , not a sleeper cell ,just one man . A murderer is what he is , nothing more.
Not for political gain , just one man , who was acting alone.
The muslim terrorists have an agenda to overthrow the west , this guy was just a wack job.