Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[El Kabong]

Some people pay good money to get the fuck away from the riff raff, some people work their entire lives so that their children don't have to deal with that shit.


If council estates or projects were good places to raise families....everyone would WANT to live there.

I'm a common man. Do I enjoy some extravagances? Sure they are pleasures that I work to earn. I don't begrudge people who have a hard time finding their way in life, but their poor choices shouldn't become my burden.

[Beanz]

Some people pay good money to get the fuck away from the riff raff, some people work their entire lives so that their children don't have to deal with that shit.


If council estates or projects were good places to raise families....everyone would WANT to live there.

I'm a common man. Do I enjoy some extravagances? Sure they are pleasures that I work to earn. I don't begrudge people who have a hard time finding their way in life, but their poor choices shouldn't become my burden.

You sound just like Miles. You probably will not listen to me because you think you know it all but believe me life is not just about good and poor choices. Many people do not have the choices that others do, be that because of circumstance, disability, lack of intelligence, no decent role models, being victims of violence, mental and sexual abuse etc etc


And yet as a Christian you want to refer to them as YOUR Burden? what about there burdens? anybody can look after their own, fucking Nazis and Muslim Extremists look after their own. What about looking after people not like you? You resent that too?


We are talking about people who were housed in a building that torched and killed their relatives being rehoused in social housing that because it is attached to luxury apartments you think they should be denied the chance to move into ?


Fucking get a grip

[El Kabong]

When you're wanting to force place people in property you don't own yeah those property owners didn't sign up for that any more than those folks signed up for the fire.


Now should the government say "house these people and we'll give you some benefit should you want it" fine.

After hurricane Katrina we here in the US had to deal with that same thing on a much larger scale.


Grandstand all you like comrade

[Beanz]

When you're wanting to force place people in property you don't own yeah those property owners didn't sign up for that any more than those folks signed up for the fire.Now should the government say "house these people and we'll give you some benefit should you want it" fine.After hurricane Katrina we here in the US had to deal with that same thing on a much larger scale.Grandstand all you like comrade

They are empty properties, some not even finished being built and they are social housing. Paid for by the government who caused the death of those relatives by cost cutting and you, all the way over in America are pissed about this?

[Beanz]

Have to say I am pretty amazed at the callousness of the responses to new that the families affected by this are to be rehoused near to their friends and relatives rather than hundreds of miles away as often happens.

The right wing fake news is just swallowed whole and the fact that they will be housed in flats already set aside as social housing is ignored and people are focusing on the fact that it will be next to luxury flats.


It is because of the views of luxury flat owners, ironically many of whom are dodgy middle eastern and Russian Criminals wanting the eye sore of a council flat to be hidden behind what ended up being a lethal flammable cladding, that these families are homeless.


And yet the clowns are now suggesting that the luxury flat owners are now ' victims ' because of having to live next to Londoners. Clueless. Housing is so expensive and in short supply in London that many, many people and families in social housing work bloody hard. I have many friends who live in council flats in London but work, Tree Surgeons, Musicians, Plumbers etc. You don't even have to be poor to not be able to afford youwr own flat but the working poor is a bigger percentage than the unemployed poor, and yet people still want to look down their nose at them? After pretending to understand Joe sixpack or pretending to want an end to social inequality.

I am a fucking idiot for believing that a lot must get lost in translation and that we were all normal everyday working people. It seems many think they are above us.


We own our home and yet on the other side of the road it is council housing. This is quite usual in Britain where you have been able to buy council houses since Thatcher and mixed development is the norm. I always thought that was a good thing. Apparently not. Social segregation and apartheid is apparently preferable.

[Dia bando]

There is nothing wrong with social housing it was a great success for people on low incomes,! it provided a good home for people lets not be snobs I know plenty of shit bags who have there own houses.
Good people dont have to be rich remember money does not make you a good person very sad indeed to be judged by how much money you got and not by the person you are.!
Dont think a big house a nice car makes you the dogs bollocks sorry I know one or two that are the biggest pieces of shit you could meet horrible bastards no friends just first class cunts.
On the other hand I have friends from council house backgrounds that are fine upstanding people I am no snob I know good people from bad my wife lived in a council house how wrong people can be there again I am not a snob.

[Batman]

Beanz, I have to say I have a lot to say at the moment and most of it is disagreeing with you, I'm too drunk to articulate my thoughts at the minute though, plus I think (or hope) that I have got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm gunna re-read this tomorrow before I take the moral high ground.

so when I say in my opening line that I have to say that I have a lot to say, what I really mean is that I think I have a lot to say but I'm not going to say it just yet because I'm not sure if what I have to say is what I mean to say or if I am fully understanding the comments that have caused me to feel that I have a lot to say...at present though I disagree with you Beanz, however I will be more than happy to reevaluate my views tomorrow

I'm just glad that Paul Kevin lives on

[Master]

Beanz, I have to say I have a lot to say at the moment and most of it is disagreeing with you, I'm too drunk to articulate my thoughts at the minute though, plus I think (or hope) that I have got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm gunna re-read this tomorrow before I take the moral high ground.

so when I say in my opening line that I have to say that I have a lot to say, what I really mean is that I think I have a lot to say but I'm not going to say it just yet because I'm not sure if what I have to say is what I mean to say or if I am fully understanding the comments that have caused me to feel that I have a lot to say...at present though I disagree with you Beanz, however I will be more than happy to reevaluate my views tomorrow

I'm just glad that Paul Kevin lives on

After that rambling post I think I am starting to appreciate PK.

[El Kabong]

When you're wanting to force place people in property you don't own yeah those property owners didn't sign up for that any more than those folks signed up for the fire.Now should the government say "house these people and we'll give you some benefit should you want it" fine.After hurricane Katrina we here in the US had to deal with that same thing on a much larger scale.Grandstand all you like comrade

They are empty properties, some not even finished being built and they are social housing. Paid for by the government who caused the death of those relatives by cost cutting and you, all the way over in America are pissed about this?

Empty properties owned by people who can decide what to use them for and who to rent to.

YOU don't own the properties or else YOU could let everyone live there for free!

[Beanz]

When you're wanting to force place people in property you don't own yeah those property owners didn't sign up for that any more than those folks signed up for the fire.Now should the government say "house these people and we'll give you some benefit should you want it" fine.After hurricane Katrina we here in the US had to deal with that same thing on a much larger scale.Grandstand all you like comrade

They are empty properties, some not even finished being built and they are social housing. Paid for by the government who caused the death of those relatives by cost cutting and you, all the way over in America are pissed about this?

Empty properties owned by people who can decide what to use them for and who to rent to. YOU don't own the properties or else YOU could let everyone live there for free!

They are set aside for social housing. That is one of the conditions for building the luxury flats next door. Council tenants pay rent you cunt. I was born in a tower like that one.

[walrus]

When you're wanting to force place people in property you don't own yeah those property owners didn't sign up for that any more than those folks signed up for the fire.Now should the government say "house these people and we'll give you some benefit should you want it" fine.After hurricane Katrina we here in the US had to deal with that same thing on a much larger scale.Grandstand all you like comrade

They are empty properties, some not even finished being built and they are social housing. Paid for by the government who caused the death of those relatives by cost cutting and you, all the way over in America are pissed about this?

Empty properties owned by people who can decide what to use them for and who to rent to. YOU don't own the properties or else YOU could let everyone live there for free!

They are set aside for social housing. That is one of the conditions for building the luxury flats next door. Council tenants pay rent you cunt. I was born in a tower like that one.

Oh yeah well I walked uphill to school in three feet of snow with no shoes both ways as I was a po boy

[El Kabong]

When you're wanting to force place people in property you don't own yeah those property owners didn't sign up for that any more than those folks signed up for the fire.Now should the government say "house these people and we'll give you some benefit should you want it" fine.After hurricane Katrina we here in the US had to deal with that same thing on a much larger scale.Grandstand all you like comrade

They are empty properties, some not even finished being built and they are social housing. Paid for by the government who caused the death of those relatives by cost cutting and you, all the way over in America are pissed about this?

Empty properties owned by people who can decide what to use them for and who to rent to. YOU don't own the properties or else YOU could let everyone live there for free!

They are set aside for social housing. That is one of the conditions for building the luxury flats next door. Council tenants pay rent you cunt. I was born in a tower like that one.

1. Then take that up with the owners not me.

2. I know they pay rent thank you for A) missing the point and B ) choosing to insult me afterwards.

3. Good for you, being born is the most difficult thing some folks do their entire lives.

[Batman]

We are talking about people who were housed in a building that torched and killed their relatives

As drunk as I am at the minute am I not right in thinking that this was the original topic and the thread has gone way off it.

Also is no one else going to mention the fucking abomination that is the fucking 'charity single' that they have release an abomination is being too kind, it is cancer to the side holes, it nearly killed me listening to it, they had the obligatory out of place rap which actually raps over the opening line of the song, it is fucking terrible, my ears will never fucking recover from it.