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Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
look at some of his other wins too, ones that look decent on paper

Allan Green on points, all the trouble in the world v sakio bika, less than convincing win against AA, even 9 rounds with paul smith, Miranda on points

all these fighters have been beaten much more convincingly by other fighters
Ok. If he's not , who is. It's ok saying "who has he beat?" , but he's been no.1 in his division, stepped up and no.1 in the next division, and over a long period of time.
When he was inactive, I was his biggest critic, but now he's active you have to give credit where it's due.
Tell me another fighter who has beaten somebody else in the top 5 p4p in his last 2 fights? Not even Floyd did that.
So , again, if he isn't, fine, but who is?
well it might be opinion that ward would beat anyone at any weight but I personally think to have a lb4lb it has to be based on stats and there are a few fighters with better recent records

canelo, golovkin, loma, pac, and probably a few more have better recent records than ward, more names

and you have to consider circumstance, for one all the fighters above are fighting away from home

ward beating kov in America with 3 American judges and an American ref was an impressive result no doubt, but was it even as impressive as Kov getting the rough end of a decision against ward in America with an American ref and 3 American judges?