Rigo fooled Lomas people into saying his name

[J_Undisputed]

The Sh*t talking on twitter from whoever is typing Rigo's Tweets and Whoever might be typing Lomas tweets (maybe that's loma, but more like Klimas) don't even mention a number. Its promo bantering to see to get people worked up and clamoring for it . The Tweets from that article are from 2 years ago (where rigo couldn't draw flies to crap and he and Klitchsko were exiled from hbo for having a boring style). The numbers are obviously going to be different at this point. I actually like that Rigo attempted to fight a more crowd pleasing style after that but i don't know if much has changed for Rigo draw wise. It doesn't matter to me as different fighters will appeal to different fans. It just seems historically typical of rock nation fighters to call out big targets from the bottom and trying to skip the line to swoop in for big money fights and then try to get a "fair shake\ advantages" afterwards. If Rigo steps right in to fight Loma, like ward did with Kovalev... i see that as Loma's peoples fault not rigo's (hey they most they can say is no... doesnt hurt to try ) but i see it as one of boxing's problems now. There is no respect for the rules, earning a shot or climbing a ladder anymore.... its all whining about buys, and power trip promoters and trivial bargaining details. I have problems with Roc nation and anyone whos trying to rewrite the game with no respect for the process that proceeded them .

Yes, 2 years ago and it was lies. The important take away is they are still lying. They are still even last negotiations only offering 500k. They said they offered more until Rigo's side showed the contract and then they admitted they only offered 500k. Which might sound like a good chunk but for example when Loma was 1-1 and Gary Russell had never fought for a title they fought for a vacant belt with Loma getting
631,350
Russell getting
420,900

Remember neither had been a champion yet and Loma was 1-1. His star has grown and Rigo is an established champion. 500k is not remotely a fair offer in this situation. That's why they didn't admit what they offered until they were forced to admit.

If Loma gets on his Twitter or someone tells him what is happening on it we may get the fight because he is being abused. Because while Rigo was the first reply saying he agrees to the fight Loma hasn't said yes.

I'm cool with many options for Loma. They've admitted they will never fight Crawford saying "it is suicide". That's fair. A Mikey fight is great. But Miley says "if Loma wants to fight he needs to go to 135 and prove he can fight there so people don't say I picked on the little guy". So if Loma wants to fight at 135, cool. It leads somewhere. If Loma refuses Rigo and fights some nobody at 130 that's not cool. I'd even accept a Salido fight if they allow Salido to fight when he wants to fight. Or of course any of the champions. But turning down a legend to fight a stay busy fight is what I don't want to see.

Lomas date is only 37 days away. He's training. He will be ready. Will his opponent? Rigo is really the only guy talking about fighting him right now and the only fighter people are talking about him fighting. It's the logical fight.

Ok so the question i have is if Loma needs to go to 135 and prove himself before fighting Mikey, why does rigo jump to 130 and precede the other fighters at 130 and get to fight Loma without doing the same? I respect what Mikey is saying and its what i've been saying all along. Theres an easy way to make sure someone can't avoid you... work your way up get on their radar and become the mandatory... If they still don't want to fight they either run like hell and jump networks or something like Stevenson or they drop the belt and stand there with a dumb look on their face like Canelo. The landscape has a way of sorting out these discrepancies. As much I respect Rigo, you cant get dropped by a network for fighting boring fights, get stripped of a title for inactivity, have to fight in China, Japan, Wales and then have youre last fight at 122 overturned to a no contest and expect to smack-talk your way to the front of the line at 130 because you want your pockets lined. It is true what Mikey says about being raked over the coals for fighting a smaller guy. I get that people want to see big fights, but just throwing everything (including the rankings and nobodies that worked their way up the honest way to become mandatories) out the window dishonors the sport and sours the results when the excuses roll in...

[Ron Swanson]

The Sh*t talking on twitter from whoever is typing Rigo's Tweets and Whoever might be typing Lomas tweets (maybe that's loma, but more like Klimas) don't even mention a number. Its promo bantering to see to get people worked up and clamoring for it . The Tweets from that article are from 2 years ago (where rigo couldn't draw flies to crap and he and Klitchsko were exiled from hbo for having a boring style). The numbers are obviously going to be different at this point. I actually like that Rigo attempted to fight a more crowd pleasing style after that but i don't know if much has changed for Rigo draw wise. It doesn't matter to me as different fighters will appeal to different fans. It just seems historically typical of rock nation fighters to call out big targets from the bottom and trying to skip the line to swoop in for big money fights and then try to get a "fair shake\ advantages" afterwards. If Rigo steps right in to fight Loma, like ward did with Kovalev... i see that as Loma's peoples fault not rigo's (hey they most they can say is no... doesnt hurt to try ) but i see it as one of boxing's problems now. There is no respect for the rules, earning a shot or climbing a ladder anymore.... its all whining about buys, and power trip promoters and trivial bargaining details. I have problems with Roc nation and anyone whos trying to rewrite the game with no respect for the process that proceeded them .

Yes, 2 years ago and it was lies. The important take away is they are still lying. They are still even last negotiations only offering 500k. They said they offered more until Rigo's side showed the contract and then they admitted they only offered 500k. Which might sound like a good chunk but for example when Loma was 1-1 and Gary Russell had never fought for a title they fought for a vacant belt with Loma getting
631,350
Russell getting
420,900

Remember neither had been a champion yet and Loma was 1-1. His star has grown and Rigo is an established champion. 500k is not remotely a fair offer in this situation. That's why they didn't admit what they offered until they were forced to admit.

If Loma gets on his Twitter or someone tells him what is happening on it we may get the fight because he is being abused. Because while Rigo was the first reply saying he agrees to the fight Loma hasn't said yes.

I'm cool with many options for Loma. They've admitted they will never fight Crawford saying "it is suicide". That's fair. A Mikey fight is great. But Miley says "if Loma wants to fight he needs to go to 135 and prove he can fight there so people don't say I picked on the little guy". So if Loma wants to fight at 135, cool. It leads somewhere. If Loma refuses Rigo and fights some nobody at 130 that's not cool. I'd even accept a Salido fight if they allow Salido to fight when he wants to fight. Or of course any of the champions. But turning down a legend to fight a stay busy fight is what I don't want to see.

Lomas date is only 37 days away. He's training. He will be ready. Will his opponent? Rigo is really the only guy talking about fighting him right now and the only fighter people are talking about him fighting. It's the logical fight.

Ok so the question i have is if Loma needs to go to 135 and prove himself before fighting Mikey, why does rigo jump to 130 and precede the other fighters at 130 and get to fight Loma without doing the same? I respect what Mikey is saying and its what i've been saying all along. Theres an easy way to make sure someone can't avoid you... work your way up get on their radar and become the mandatory... If they still don't want to fight they either run like hell and jump networks or something like Stevenson or they drop the belt and stand there with a dumb look on their face like Canelo. The landscape has a way of sorting out these discrepancies. As much I respect Rigo, you cant get dropped by a network for fighting boring fights, get stripped of a title for inactivity, have to fight in China, Japan, Wales and then have youre last fight at 122 overturned to a no contest and expect to smack-talk your way to the front of the line at 130 because you want your pockets lined. It is true what Mikey says about being raked over the coals for fighting a smaller guy. I get that people want to see big fights, but just throwing everything (including the rankings and nobodies that worked their way up the honest way to become mandatories) out the window dishonors the sport and sours the results when the excuses roll in...

You won't get any excuses after from me. I even want Loma to win. It will be a better fight if he does. You can check my history. You will find no fight where I made excuses after a fight. The closest you will find is me saying I disagree with the result. Which, I think everyone disagrees with results from time to time.

As for Rigo being dropped for being boring. That's the company line. He was dropped for ruining the status quo. Rigo became boring when he was a threat to Donaire and he continued being boring because he ruined a profiting fighter. What HBO does is underpay these fighters from Eastern Europe/Asia with help from the promoters/managers.(we're familiar with this in the States from MLB "why would we take an American player at full price when we can have a similar player from the Dominican Republic for pennies on the dollar")

People get this stuff all mixed up. Klimas went on and on about Wards side being dirtbags. But look what happens now, Kovalev wants to work with Wards side. That should tell people everything. Kovalev got screwed by Duva and Klimas and they tried to blame Wards side but the evidence comes out. Any guess who wrote the racist tweets? Kovalev doesn't seem to command the language quite so well. Now Loma(same manager Klimas) has tweets that look exactly the same hmmm.(not racist but pictures look the same) At what point do we go "maybe this guy who keeps lying is the problem, maybe he's lying to his fighters too".

As for Mikey wanting Loma to move up and prove himself being compared to Loma asking Rigo to move up and prove himself. Loma isn't asking Rigo to move up and prove himself. He thinks Rigo doesn't want to fight. What seems more likely, the guy that is saying he will meet every demand he wants to fight is lying and he doesn't want to fight. Or the guy that keeps lying is lying again? I find it far more likely Klimas is misleading Loma just as he mislead Kovalev.

I get the idea that hopping around weights isn't ideal. But we will probably never have a chance again to see a 2 time gold medal winner fight another 2 time gold medal winner. This is an exceptional situation which calls for exceptions. I just want the fight, it's history.

Again, I'm not saying it's Lomas only option. If he fights another titlist, great. If he fights a feel out fight at 135, great. I'm just saying if he isn't going to do one of those things he should fight Rigo.

[Ron Swanson]

Every year I loathe Top Rank more and more for their lies. And the way they paint a certain picture that isn't the truth to go with their lies.

In this article a Top Rank exec says Salido turned down 720,000 and when his financialdemands were met he said he had a hand issue and a weight issue. Then he goes on with typical Top Rank BS snickering at Salido with funny how that happens, abut one thing after the next.

But, it's f'n BS. I could have told you weeks ago Salido didn't like the date and was asking them for ONLY a different date. Because of the reasons this guy snickers at. Pretty picture they paint but the truth was out for a while.

But, 720,000, for Salido. Shows that there is money out there. Exposes other aspects of their BS

http://www.boxingscene.com/top-rank-...ematch--118047

[J_Undisputed]

The Sh*t talking on twitter from whoever is typing Rigo's Tweets and Whoever might be typing Lomas tweets (maybe that's loma, but more like Klimas) don't even mention a number. Its promo bantering to see to get people worked up and clamoring for it . The Tweets from that article are from 2 years ago (where rigo couldn't draw flies to crap and he and Klitchsko were exiled from hbo for having a boring style). The numbers are obviously going to be different at this point. I actually like that Rigo attempted to fight a more crowd pleasing style after that but i don't know if much has changed for Rigo draw wise. It doesn't matter to me as different fighters will appeal to different fans. It just seems historically typical of rock nation fighters to call out big targets from the bottom and trying to skip the line to swoop in for big money fights and then try to get a "fair shake\ advantages" afterwards. If Rigo steps right in to fight Loma, like ward did with Kovalev... i see that as Loma's peoples fault not rigo's (hey they most they can say is no... doesnt hurt to try ) but i see it as one of boxing's problems now. There is no respect for the rules, earning a shot or climbing a ladder anymore.... its all whining about buys, and power trip promoters and trivial bargaining details. I have problems with Roc nation and anyone whos trying to rewrite the game with no respect for the process that proceeded them .

Yes, 2 years ago and it was lies. The important take away is they are still lying. They are still even last negotiations only offering 500k. They said they offered more until Rigo's side showed the contract and then they admitted they only offered 500k. Which might sound like a good chunk but for example when Loma was 1-1 and Gary Russell had never fought for a title they fought for a vacant belt with Loma getting 631,350 Russell getting 420,900 Remember neither had been a champion yet and Loma was 1-1. His star has grown and Rigo is an established champion. 500k is not remotely a fair offer in this situation. That's why they didn't admit what they offered until they were forced to admit. If Loma gets on his Twitter or someone tells him what is happening on it we may get the fight because he is being abused. Because while Rigo was the first reply saying he agrees to the fight Loma hasn't said yes. I'm cool with many options for Loma. They've admitted they will never fight Crawford saying "it is suicide". That's fair. A Mikey fight is great. But Miley says "if Loma wants to fight he needs to go to 135 and prove he can fight there so people don't say I picked on the little guy". So if Loma wants to fight at 135, cool. It leads somewhere. If Loma refuses Rigo and fights some nobody at 130 that's not cool. I'd even accept a Salido fight if they allow Salido to fight when he wants to fight. Or of course any of the champions. But turning down a legend to fight a stay busy fight is what I don't want to see. Lomas date is only 37 days away. He's training. He will be ready. Will his opponent? Rigo is really the only guy talking about fighting him right now and the only fighter people are talking about him fighting. It's the logical fight.

Ok so the question i have is if Loma needs to go to 135 and prove himself before fighting Mikey, why does rigo jump to 130 and precede the other fighters at 130 and get to fight Loma without doing the same? I respect what Mikey is saying and its what i've been saying all along. Theres an easy way to make sure someone can't avoid you... work your way up get on their radar and become the mandatory... If they still don't want to fight they either run like hell and jump networks or something like Stevenson or they drop the belt and stand there with a dumb look on their face like Canelo. The landscape has a way of sorting out these discrepancies. As much I respect Rigo, you cant get dropped by a network for fighting boring fights, get stripped of a title for inactivity, have to fight in China, Japan, Wales and then have youre last fight at 122 overturned to a no contest and expect to smack-talk your way to the front of the line at 130 because you want your pockets lined. It is true what Mikey says about being raked over the coals for fighting a smaller guy. I get that people want to see big fights, but just throwing everything (including the rankings and nobodies that worked their way up the honest way to become mandatories) out the window dishonors the sport and sours the results when the excuses roll in...

You won't get any excuses after from me. I even want Loma to win. It will be a better fight if he does. You can check my history. You will find no fight where I made excuses after a fight. The closest you will find is me saying I disagree with the result. Which, I think everyone disagrees with results from time to time. As for Rigo being dropped for being boring. That's the company line. He was dropped for ruining the status quo. Rigo became boring when he was a threat to Donaire and he continued being boring because he ruined a profiting fighter. What HBO does is underpay these fighters from Eastern Europe/Asia with help from the promoters/managers.(we're familiar with this in the States from MLB "why would we take an American player at full price when we can have a similar player from the Dominican Republic for pennies on the dollar") People get this stuff all mixed up. Klimas went on and on about Wards side being dirtbags. But look what happens now, Kovalev wants to work with Wards side. That should tell people everything. Kovalev got screwed by Duva and Klimas and they tried to blame Wards side but the evidence comes out. Any guess who wrote the racist tweets? Kovalev doesn't seem to command the language quite so well. Now Loma(same manager Klimas) has tweets that look exactly the same hmmm.(not racist but pictures look the same) At what point do we go "maybe this guy who keeps lying is the problem, maybe he's lying to his fighters too". As for Mikey wanting Loma to move up and prove himself being compared to Loma asking Rigo to move up and prove himself. Loma isn't asking Rigo to move up and prove himself. He thinks Rigo doesn't want to fight. What seems more likely, the guy that is saying he will meet every demand he wants to fight is lying and he doesn't want to fight. Or the guy that keeps lying is lying again? I find it far more likely Klimas is misleading Loma just as he mislead Kovalev. I get the idea that hopping around weights isn't ideal. But we will probably never have a chance again to see a 2 time gold medal winner fight another 2 time gold medal winner. This is an exceptional situation which calls for exceptions. I just want the fight, it's history. Again, I'm not saying it's Lomas only option. If he fights another titlist, great. If he fights a feel out fight at 135, great. I'm just saying if he isn't going to do one of those things he should fight Rigo.

I wasn't referring to you with the excuses comment. I meant in general for the fans the fighters, the excuses.. the asterisk that appears next to a win among the sports consensus. Well the theory that Rigo was being punished for beating doniare might wash if Klitchsko wasn't admonished for the same thing at pretty much the same time. Why not just replace donaire with Rigo? Rigo was good enough to not really get beat and run the table at the weight. Donaire wasn't really a showman either, but when they contracted him for HBO under robert garcia he threw all his boxing skills away and start throwing power shots and paid for it eventually. Doubt it was the way he saw his career going, but its what the company wanted. If Rigo didn't want to do that, i can respect that...but you cant really blame the networks for going in a different direction. (Loma's next fight, as well as crawfords is on ESPN now -- who might be a little more grateful for a non emphatic kind of win-- But i'll take the type of KO over martinez, any day of the week over sosa or walters quitting all, things being equal...) I'm not saying Klimas is a boy scout. You don't get anywhere in the business without having at least some dirt on you. He's kind of a typical overexcited blowhard that we've seen in many international competitions. That being said, i don't think he's misleading his fighters. The language barrier is not huge enough to put blinders on these fighters to the world with klimas being the soul beacon of information. However i happen to agree with Klimas on roc nation. Its nice that they pay their fighters well (at their own expense and sustainability) however there probably hasnt been a fight yet where they they havent attempted to tilt the table in their favor or over estimated their position and tried to push the free prize fighting model mayweather started.. more later...

[Spicoli]

Sooo Flores rematch has been ordered. Does it say less of Rigo if he sticks around for it and more if he walks the talk and moves up?

[Master]

Sooo Flores rematch has been ordered. Does it say less of Rigo if he sticks around for it and more if he walks the talk and moves up?

I say rematch and finish the business.

[Ron Swanson]

Rigo is saying he met with Loma, it all went smooth and they expect to fight in the future. I hope he's right. No idea who translated