Ward/Kovalev 2...who wins?

[erics44]

Just a fact that in general bigger boxers would beat smaller boxers, no argument

Doesn't take away from the entertainment of the smaller weights

Think there's a lot of confusion between who is the best lb4lb and who is the best

[TitoFan]

Just a fact that in general bigger boxers would beat smaller boxers, no argument

I'm a masochist by nature and will just continue hammering away.


Try to follow me here:

You said, and I quote, "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers"

I tried to explain that just because a bigger boxer would beat a smaller boxer in the ring, it doesn't mean he's the better boxer.

Loads of people tried to help out with that, giving you examples of how that works in real life. You know... the p4p concept.

You countered with confounding analogies about cricket, etc.



I'll try one more time, because I must love pain.

Mythical matchup between Chocolatito and Deontay Wilder.

Chocolatito is several times the boxer Deontay Wilder is. Agree? Please say yes, even if just to humor me.

Chocolatito also weighs about 115 pounds.

Deontay is a big and powerful heavyweight, but an amateurish boxer.

Put them in the ring together. Who wins? Please say Deontay.

Ok, let's go back to your quote. Mind you, I'm exhibiting a lot of patience here.

"The best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."

Deontay is much bigger than Chocolatito.

Does that make him a better boxer? Please say no, and avoid further embarrassment.

So p4p, Chocolatito is better than Deontay.

In the ring, at their actual sizes, Deontay wins 100 times out of a 100.



Does any of this make a dent in there?

If not, it's probably my fault. I'm not really good at simplifying things below a certain level.

[palmerq]

you guys seem to be arguing about a subject whilst completely agreeing with each other, it is pretty odd and interesting to read :S

[TitoFan]

The assertion "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers", is a ridiculously false, incorrect statement.
I fail to see how we're agreeing with each other.
I'm just trying to perform a public service here.

[palmerq]

The assertion "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers", is a ridiculously false, incorrect statement.
I fail to see how we're agreeing with each other.
I'm just trying to perform a public service here.

you're saying the exact same thing though.. wilder beats chocolatito because he is bigger, I think it is pretty clear that that is what erics eric s or whatever has been saying from the start..Problem seems to be in the wording of the posts. He seems to be using the word boxer as a description of someone who takes part in the sport of boxing and you seem to be using boxer as a class of one of these sportsmen, boxer is someone skilled jabbing moving so on and on.. anyway you guys really are agreeing with each other. I will post no more about it and read on !

[TitoFan]

The assertion "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers", is a ridiculously false, incorrect statement.
I fail to see how we're agreeing with each other.
I'm just trying to perform a public service here.

you're saying the exact same thing though.. wilder beats chocolatito because he is bigger, I think it is pretty clear that that is what erics eric s or whatever has been saying from the start..Problem seems to be in the wording of the posts. He seems to be using the word boxer as a description of someone who takes part in the sport of boxing and you seem to be using boxer as a class of one of these sportsmen, boxer is someone skilled jabbing moving so on and on.. anyway you guys really are agreeing with each other. I will post no more about it and read on !

I'm saying Deontay would beat Chocolatito to a pulp, but not because he's a better a boxer, but only because he's so much bigger.

Eric says that because Deontay is bigger, he's the better boxer.



We're certainly not saying the same thing.

[erics44]

i am actually

In football the most skilful players are not always the best players

In boxing the most skilful boxers are not always the best

If you can beat another competitor at any sport consistently then you are better than them at that sport

Simples