Ward/Kovalev 2...who wins?

[erics44]

Mayweather

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a strong case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a strong case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 50+ fighters, probably a lot more

Ward

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 30+ fighters, maybe a lot more

[Primo Carnera]

Mayweather

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a strong case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a strong case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 50+ fighters, probably a lot more

Ward

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 30+ fighters, maybe a lot more

Mate, you forget one thing, and it has been pointed out. Boxing is a SPORT. That's why they have weights, the same as Horse racing has handicaps and the NFL Have drafts.
It's a way of setting a level playing field.
What you're talking about is a street scrap or circus act.
As a scrapper, may weather would lose to the HW's , but that isn't Sport and doesn't mean he isn't the best BOXER.
He may not the best scrapper or the hardest, I'll give you that.

[erics44]

Mayweather

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a strong case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a strong case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 50+ fighters, probably a lot more

Ward

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 30+ fighters, maybe a lot more

Mate, you forget one thing, and it has been pointed out. Boxing is a SPORT. That's why they have weights, the same as Horse racing has handicaps and the NFL Have drafts.
It's a way of setting a level playing field.
What you're talking about is a street scrap or circus act.
As a scrapper, may weather would lose to the HW's , but that isn't Sport and doesn't mean he isn't the best BOXER.
He may not the best scrapper or the hardest, I'll give you that.

it does mean he isn't the best boxer, he would be beaten at boxing by another fighter

the NFL having drafts isn't the same thing, there are still 11 men against 11 men on the pitch and the teams put out their best 11, regardless of there shape and size

you don't get flyweights in the NFL and theres a very good reason for that

I don't know how horseracing works

there are no flyweights in football, Rugby, even cricket and hockey, they are just not physically strong enough to compete

if there was a flyweight football competition and there was a team who was miles better than all of the other flyweight football teams, and the middleweight football competition was a lot closer would the flyweight football team be the best football team in the world?

[Fenster]

How come big fellas are such rubbish drivers? All the top drivers are small blokes. Gymnastics? Strength isn't solely about size.

Big boxers have a huge advantage over smaller ones due to the rules and conditions in place. Change the size of ring, gloves etc the big mans advantages are greatly diluted.

Boxing and violence is completely different. I've seen many a little fella beat the shit out of Joshua's and Wlad's.

[erics44]

yep, big fellas are not as good at driving, so only the best do it which are little fellas

if there was a desire for it then maybe they could have a big fellas class? and then we could have a lb4lb driver (even tho the little fellas are actually better)

and @Primo Carnera I just responded to youre post with a valid opinion and a question, and all you responded with was #lostcause, bit gay that isn't it?

[Primo Carnera]

yep, big fellas are not as good at driving, so only the best do it which are little fellas

if there was a desire for it then maybe they could have a big fellas class? and then we could have a lb4lb driver (even tho the little fellas are actually better)

and @Primo Carnera I just responded to youre post with a valid opinion and a question, and all you responded with was #lostcause, bit gay that isn't it?

Look bud, I'm sorry if I've upset you, my comment was a bit of harmless fun (so I thought), so I apologise.
But I feel you're choosing to ignore the actual meaning of the words "Sport" and "Boxing" rather than thuggery and fighting.
Never mind, we'll agree to disagree.

[Fenster]

yep, big fellas are not as good at driving, so only the best do it which are little fellas

if there was a desire for it then maybe they could have a big fellas class? and then we could have a lb4lb driver (even tho the little fellas are actually better)

Little fellas are obviously not better drivers. The conditions of the car and race require a smaller man.

You don't know for a fact that a smaller boxer would lose to a bigger one. There's also no limit at heavyweight. Haye beat Valuev easy giving him a 100lb, arguably old Holyfield did the same. Would it be a shock if the current top middleweights outboxed him over 12 rounds? Roy and Toney both came from middleweight to easily beat top 10 ranked "world" champion heavyweights.

There's numerous cases of fighters giving big lumps a hiding.

Do you think Loma couldn't chuck on a stone to school some "world-class" middleweights? Fuckers would never see what way he went

[erics44]

yep, big fellas are not as good at driving, so only the best do it which are little fellas

if there was a desire for it then maybe they could have a big fellas class? and then we could have a lb4lb driver (even tho the little fellas are actually better)

Little fellas are obviously not better drivers. The conditions of the car and race require a smaller man.

You don't know for a fact that a smaller boxer would lose to a bigger one. There's also no limit at heavyweight. Haye beat Valuev easy giving him a 100lb, arguably old Holyfield did the same. Would it be a shock if the current top middleweights outboxed him over 12 rounds? Roy and Toney both came from middleweight to easily beat top 10 ranked "world" champion heavyweights.

There's numerous cases of fighters giving big lumps a hiding.

Do you think Loma couldn't chuck on a stone to school some "world-class" middleweights? Fuckers would never see what way he went

change the conditions of the car and have 2 car condition classes, could we have a lb4lb driver then?

I didn't say that all bigger fighters beat all smaller fighters

perhaps I missed out the word usually, somewhere

but usually, the HW champion would beat any other weights champion

and fighters do come up in weight, james toney was elite at middleweight but not so at heavy

and @Primo Carnera I am not upset in any way, in fact far from it, im enjoying the debate, excited, enthralled is a better word (its very much relieving my boredom from my daily job)

I don't think your opinion that I am missing the words sport and boxing and thugary and fighting has any substance, both heavies and middles fight under the same rules of the same sport, in the same ring with the same gloves(ish) and the same scoring system, its the same sport, they are separated because the middles don't stand much chance against the heavies

if they didn't separate them there would only be heavies

and Loma is an unbelievable boxer, having the weight classes allow us to have fighters like that, and maybe he would beat a lot of middles