117-111 for HORN????? INVESTIGATION OPENED

[brocktonblockbust]

Utterly.. PAC is like ODLH he gets robbed many times.

[Ron Swanson]

Utterly.. PAC is like ODLH he gets robbed many times.

"many times"? Pac has 4 losses on the cards. The Mayweather and Morales losses are clear as can be. That leaves 2. Many means a large number of. 2 is not many.

[Batman]

Utterly.. PAC is like ODLH he gets robbed many times.

"many times"? Pac has 4 losses on the cards. The Mayweather and Morales losses are clear as can be. That leaves 2. Many means a large number of. 2 is not many.

Yeah but he had a poorly shoulder for the Mayweather fight so he should have been given a 3 point handicap to even it out, as he wasn't given any handicap it's classed as a robbery.

[Master]

Utterly.. PAC is like ODLH he gets robbed many times.

"many times"? Pac has 4 losses on the cards. The Mayweather and Morales losses are clear as can be. That leaves 2. Many means a large number of. 2 is not many.

Yeah but he had a poorly shoulder for the Mayweather fight so he should have been given a 3 point handicap to even it out, as he wasn't given any handicap it's classed as a robbery.

You also missed Manny stumbling into JMM right hand and being knocked out cold.

[TitoFan]

On the other hand............


Let's stop a little of the pontificating, pretending bad scores don't exist.
Horn may have very well been seen the winner in the fight, but 9 rounds to 3??

You put 20 judges instead of 3, and that one judge would fall totally outside the normal distribution of scores you would expect to see.
That sort of outlier usually means one of two things: INCOMPETENCE or CORRUPTION.


Any time boxing sees a score like this, it should be investigated and dealt with accordingly.
That's the problem with boxing. It continues to ignore mediocrity.

[Ron Swanson]

I hear you Titofan. I think when someone has a terrible card like that they should be immediately suspended until a revue can be done.

But the guy has 68 fights and 2 questionable decisions have gone against him. The notion that boxing suffers from constant bad decisions is not only defeated by the numbers of all fights but in fact defeated by Pacqiaos CV

[Batman]

On the other hand............


Let's stop a little of the pontificating, pretending bad scores don't exist.
Horn may have very well been seen the winner in the fight, but 9 rounds to 3??

You put 20 judges instead of 3, and that one judge would fall totally outside the normal distribution of scores you would expect to see.
That sort of outlier usually means one of two things: INCOMPETENCE or CORRUPTION.


Any time boxing sees a score like this, it should be investigated and dealt with accordingly.
That's the problem with boxing. It continues to ignore mediocrity.

It works both ways though, we accept that you need to take the title off the champion, we accept that there will always be hometown decisions, we accept that the volume of the crowd can influence a judge.

My question is if the score cards would have been 100% reversed would there have been anywhere near this level of controversy?

I'll answer for you, no, no there wouldn't .

[TitoFan]

On the other hand............


Let's stop a little of the pontificating, pretending bad scores don't exist.
Horn may have very well been seen the winner in the fight, but 9 rounds to 3??

You put 20 judges instead of 3, and that one judge would fall totally outside the normal distribution of scores you would expect to see.
That sort of outlier usually means one of two things: INCOMPETENCE or CORRUPTION.


Any time boxing sees a score like this, it should be investigated and dealt with accordingly.
That's the problem with boxing. It continues to ignore mediocrity.

It works both ways though, we accept that you need to take the title off the champion, we accept that there will always be hometown decisions, we accept that the volume of the crowd can influence a judge.

My question is if the score cards would have been 100% reversed would there have been anywhere near this level of controversy?

I'll answer for you, no, no there wouldn't .

Yeah thanks for answering for me. Saved me a few keystrokes.

Regardless, it doesn't make this any less of a horrible score of a fight I imagine the judge was watching live and from the same vantage point as the other two.

Incompetence or corruption. Only two plausible explanations for such a shit score.

Until boxing starts holding judges' feet to the fire for horrible scoring, we'll continue on this hamster wheel indefinitely.

[Batman]

On the other hand............


Let's stop a little of the pontificating, pretending bad scores don't exist.
Horn may have very well been seen the winner in the fight, but 9 rounds to 3??

You put 20 judges instead of 3, and that one judge would fall totally outside the normal distribution of scores you would expect to see.
That sort of outlier usually means one of two things: INCOMPETENCE or CORRUPTION.


Any time boxing sees a score like this, it should be investigated and dealt with accordingly.
That's the problem with boxing. It continues to ignore mediocrity.

It works both ways though, we accept that you need to take the title off the champion, we accept that there will always be hometown decisions, we accept that the volume of the crowd can influence a judge.

My question is if the score cards would have been 100% reversed would there have been anywhere near this level of controversy?

I'll answer for you, no, no there wouldn't .

Yeah thanks for answering for me. Saved me a few keystrokes.

Regardless, it doesn't make this any less of a horrible score of a fight I imagine the judge was watching live and from the same vantage point as the other two.

Incompetence or corruption. Only two plausible explanations for such a shit score.

Until boxing starts holding judges' feet to the fire for horrible scoring, we'll continue on this hamster wheel indefinitely.

And yet if the score cards were 100% reversed this thread would not exist, that is the thing that annoys me, it would be accepted as Manny got the win and one judge scored it wide, as it is there is a massive conspiracy theory that Pac was screwed before he put the gloves on which just isn't true

[Ron Swanson]

On the other hand............


Let's stop a little of the pontificating, pretending bad scores don't exist.
Horn may have very well been seen the winner in the fight, but 9 rounds to 3??

You put 20 judges instead of 3, and that one judge would fall totally outside the normal distribution of scores you would expect to see.
That sort of outlier usually means one of two things: INCOMPETENCE or CORRUPTION.


Any time boxing sees a score like this, it should be investigated and dealt with accordingly.
That's the problem with boxing. It continues to ignore mediocrity.

It works both ways though, we accept that you need to take the title off the champion, we accept that there will always be hometown decisions, we accept that the volume of the crowd can influence a judge.

My question is if the score cards would have been 100% reversed would there have been anywhere near this level of controversy?

I'll answer for you, no, no there wouldn't .

Yeah thanks for answering for me. Saved me a few keystrokes.

Regardless, it doesn't make this any less of a horrible score of a fight I imagine the judge was watching live and from the same vantage point as the other two.

Incompetence or corruption. Only two plausible explanations for such a shit score.

Until boxing starts holding judges' feet to the fire for horrible scoring, we'll continue on this hamster wheel indefinitely.

And the last bit is where you lose the plot. Bob Arum was in charge of the show top to bottoms. So Bob Arum had a hand in who was selected. And Bob Arum will profit from this decision. All too often we get so focused we don't see the whole picture. Hurting this judge won't fix corruption. Transparency in the process would fix corruption. Guess who will fight transparency every step of the way?