117-111 for HORN????? INVESTIGATION OPENED

[TitoFan]

Yeah thanks for answering for me. Saved me a few keystrokes.

Regardless, it doesn't make this any less of a horrible score of a fight I imagine the judge was watching live and from the same vantage point as the other two.

Incompetence or corruption. Only two plausible explanations for such a shit score.

Until boxing starts holding judges' feet to the fire for horrible scoring, we'll continue on this hamster wheel indefinitely.

And yet if the score cards were 100% reversed this thread would not exist, that is the thing that annoys me, it would be accepted as Manny got the win and one judge scored it wide, as it is there is a massive conspiracy theory that Pac was screwed before he put the gloves on which just isn't true

No issues with that, once again. But fact of the matter is we had a very close fight. We had two judges see it as such, and one judge inexplicably giving Horn 9 rounds. The merry-go-round just keeps going round and round. Some of us complain... others brush it off as business as usual... and it's on to the next fight and the next shitty judge scorecard.

Yes, if the score cards were reversed, there wouldn't have been such an outrage. And if Manny hadn't suffered so many serious headbutts, he may have handled the fight a little better. What if... what if... what if. Fact is it turned out the way it turned out.

I'm not a mourning Manny fan. I'm just a fight fan who's pretty sick and tired of lousy scoring and judges getting away with it.

Yeah thanks for answering for me. Saved me a few keystrokes.

Regardless, it doesn't make this any less of a horrible score of a fight I imagine the judge was watching live and from the same vantage point as the other two.

Incompetence or corruption. Only two plausible explanations for such a shit score.

Until boxing starts holding judges' feet to the fire for horrible scoring, we'll continue on this hamster wheel indefinitely.

And the last bit is where you lose the plot. Bob Arum was in charge of the show top to bottoms. So Bob Arum had a hand in who was selected. And Bob Arum will profit from this decision. All too often we get so focused we don't see the whole picture. Hurting this judge won't fix corruption. Transparency in the process would fix corruption. Guess who will fight transparency every step of the way?

Ok, so first it's "if the scorecards were reversed"..... and now it's "it's Bob Arum's fault".


So are you suggesting Arum had that judge score the fight the way he did regardless of what would happen in the fight? Hey, who knows. Maybe you're more into the lowdown of fights than I am. Maybe Arum has boxing by the balls, and it's all one big orchestrated fix.

Unfortunately, it's not Bob Arum who gets paid to judge the fights. It's the (cough) professional judges who we pay and entrust to do a job competently and accurately. It is their handiwork that gets held up to the bright lights for all of us to see. It is they who ultimately decide who won and who lost the fight. Not only that, but by how much.

Excuse me if I don't veer off the judge and blame Arum for this. Either way, there should be an investigation. If it goes back to Arum, kick his ass out of boxing altogether, or even bring him up on charges... I couldn't care less.

My point here is that scoring continues to be abysmal, and all we do is defend it or deflect the issue.


Sad.