Terence Crawford vs. Julius Indongo ESPN

[Ron Swanson]

According to rankings Marriaga has never beaten a guy ranked higher than 60th at 126, if I remember right that guy is 19-8-2. Just saying.

I don't say that in any way to take away from Loma's skill. But he is top shelf, he needs top shelf opponents.

Who's rankings? Rankings don't mean shit in boxing, it's not like golf or tennis. Boxing rankings are based on opinion. Marriaga proved himself against Walters and Valdez.

I've given tons of praise for the Valdez fight but the Walters fight wasn't close.

Walters threw 200 more punches while landing at a higher percentage.

If you don't like punch stats Walters also floored him.

If you dismiss that the judges had it 119-108, 118-109, 117-110 and fans it 119-108

[Ron Swanson]

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

[Fenster]

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

[Ron Swanson]

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.

I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten

[Fenster]

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.

I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten

Dismissed what? Since when have I disputed the Walters decision? Since when have I argued the quality of opposition Marriaga has beat?

All i've asked for is your "rankings" you keep referring too. If you want to keep them secret, fine, don't worry about it.

[Ron Swanson]

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.

I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten

Dismissed what? Since when have I disputed the Walters decision? Since when have I argued the quality of opposition Marriaga has beat?

All i've asked for is your "rankings" you keep referring too. If you want to keep them secret, fine, don't worry about it.

You've said multiple times Marriaga is "proven world class" the usual qualification for being proven world class in boxing is by beating a world class fighter. So you now admit, by repeatedly not naming a world class fighter he has beaten, that he hasn't beaten a world class fighter yes?

how about this, you tell me who you think is his best win and I'll supply many different rankings?(not until morning though because it is 2:28 and I need to be up in 3 and a half hours, do a few hours of work and then you'll have the rankings)

[Fenster]

You've said multiple times Marriaga is "proven world class" the usual qualification for being proven world class in boxing is by beating a world class fighter. So you now admit, by repeatedly not naming a world class fighter he has beaten, that he hasn't beaten a world class fighter yes?

how about this, you tell me who you think is his best win and I'll supply many different rankings?(not until morning though because it is 2:28 and I need to be up in 3 and a half hours, do a few hours of work and then you'll have the rankings)

I never said Marriaga beat a "world-class" fighter, you've invented an argument in your head that hasn't got anything to do with what i've said.

No I wouldn't say the qualification for being "world-class" is necessarily determined by beating a world-class fighter, it depends on what you consider "world-class?" How does a fighter obtain a ranking with a governing body? It's certainly not determined by beating independently recognised world-class opposition. And all independent rankings use governing bodies as a guide to rating fighters.

There's many "world-class" fighters that are not champions purely because the division they operate in is so strong in depth. Or the era they fight in is so strong.

[Batman]

A solid performance from Loma as expected, he got a bit silly with all of the playing about though, yeah it was cracking when he was calling Marriaga into the corner inviting him to slug it out but then all the silly taps to the head were a bit much, it's alright being macho and getting into the opponents head but that was just a little childish and Loma was coming across as just being a little bored at that point.

He really is good though

[Fenster]

According to rankings Marriaga has never beaten a guy ranked higher than 60th at 126, if I remember right that guy is 19-8-2. Just saying.

I don't say that in any way to take away from Loma's skill. But he is top shelf, he needs top shelf opponents.

Who's rankings? Rankings don't mean shit in boxing, it's not like golf or tennis. Boxing rankings are based on opinion. Marriaga proved himself against Walters and Valdez.

I've given tons of praise for the Valdez fight but the Walters fight wasn't close.

Walters threw 200 more punches while landing at a higher percentage.

If you don't like punch stats Walters also floored him.

If you dismiss that the judges had it 119-108, 118-109, 117-110 and fans it 119-108

Yeah Walters won no doubt, it was competitive though regardless of the scoring (opinion based). If a guy is way out of his depth he gets Rod Salkaed or Liam Walshed not hold his own.

What rankings are you using? If you didn't think the rankings meant anything you wouldn't keep bringing them up.