Are the Beatles overrated?

[TitoFan]

Someone should do a Beach Boys thread.
I need a good laugh.

The Beach Boys were great, what's not to like? They relied heavily on The Kingston Trio and Chuck Berry but there's no denying their talent.


Three Dog Night also very underrated probably because they were so pop based, but 21 Top 40 hits between 1968 and 1975 is a very impressive feat.


Louis Jordan is underrated, Jerry Lee Lewis is amazing, Fats Domino amazing, there's talent galore from back in the day

I'm not too good with the apparently dozens of rock sub-styles..... but I'll just call the Beach Boys the lollipops of rock. Matter of fact, I hesitate to even classify their music as rock. It's more like a nauseating pop, feel-good style. Honestly I never heard anything of value from them. I can't fathom their popularity.

Of the groups you mentioned, Three Dog Night I did like. Some of their hits were bonafide good music at the time they were released.

[mrbig1]

Someone should do a Beach Boys thread.
I need a good laugh.

The Beach Boys were great, what's not to like? They relied heavily on The Kingston Trio and Chuck Berry but there's no denying their talent.


Three Dog Night also very underrated probably because they were so pop based, but 21 Top 40 hits between 1968 and 1975 is a very impressive feat.


Louis Jordan is underrated, Jerry Lee Lewis is amazing, Fats Domino amazing, there's talent galore from back in the day

I'm not too good with the apparently dozens of rock sub-styles..... but I'll just call the Beach Boys the lollipops of rock. Matter of fact, I hesitate to even classify their music as rock. It's more like a nauseating pop, feel-good style. Honestly I never heard anything of value from them. I can't fathom their popularity.

Of the groups you mentioned, Three Dog Night I did like. Some of their hits were bonafide good music at the time they were released.

I never understood the Beach boys love. The Beatles made music art. Beach boys made music boring.

[Gandalf]

Agreed. Pet Sound is meant to be this masterpiece, but outside of God Only Knows, it isn't very interesting at all. I can see the work that went into it, but that doesn't make it good. It's almost like there are some albums you have to respect as they are of the holy elements in rock lineage, but if the music doesn't hold up or have the songs, then you have to be able to dismiss it. Yet rock journalists will ALWAYS have pet sounds in the top 20 of all time. I bought it years ago, gave it plenty of chances, but I do not enjoy it at all. Yep overrated.

I also think The Strokes got incredibly overrated. Their first album was alright. It was a decent garage rock album, but the way the media salivated over was quite extraordinary. It became the hipster badge of honour, stylishly unkept haircuts were in, guitars were back, but it wasn't that good. Some decent songs, some not so good. Is this it? At about 30 minutes I guess it was A 7/10 album really. Then the follow up albums were not all that either were they? Overrated.

I also think Oasis are overrated. That first album gets lauded all the time, but it's not that great. It's hardly a Station to Station, or a White Album, or a London Calling. It was very crude Status Quo rock with a couple of mouthy gits. Live Forever was great, but some of those songs are actually a bit dull. Certainly none of the really intricate songwriting you saw on the albums mentioned earlier, yet quite often, especially in British rock journalism you will see Definitely Maybe above those albums and I really don't see it. Don't get me wrong, Definitely Maybe is alright, maybe an 8/10 album, but it isn't a masterpiece or anything of the sort. Morning Glory is better IMO and then Oasis became really average. Nothing more than a 4 good songs an album kind of band then. Overrated.

[Batman]

Agreed. Pet Sound is meant to be this masterpiece, but outside of God Only Knows, it isn't very interesting at all. I can see the work that went into it, but that doesn't make it good. It's almost like there are some albums you have to respect as they are of the holy elements in rock lineage, but if the music doesn't hold up or have the songs, then you have to be able to dismiss it. Yet rock journalists will ALWAYS have pet sounds in the top 20 of all time. I bought it years ago, gave it plenty of chances, but I do not enjoy it at all. Yep overrated.

I also think The Strokes got incredibly overrated. Their first album was alright. It was a decent garage rock album, but the way the media salivated over was quite extraordinary. It became the hipster badge of honour, stylishly unkept haircuts were in, guitars were back, but it wasn't that good. Some decent songs, some not so good. Is this it? At about 30 minutes I guess it was A 7/10 album really. Then the follow up albums were not all that either were they? Overrated.

I also think Oasis are overrated. That first album gets lauded all the time, but it's not that great. It's hardly a Station to Station, or a White Album, or a London Calling. It was very crude Status Quo rock with a couple of mouthy gits. Live Forever was great, but some of those songs are actually a bit dull. Certainly none of the really intricate songwriting you saw on the albums mentioned earlier, yet quite often, especially in British rock journalism you will see Definitely Maybe above those albums and I really don't see it. Don't get me wrong, Definitely Maybe is alright, maybe an 8/10 album, but it isn't a masterpiece or anything of the sort. Morning Glory is better IMO and then Oasis became really average. Nothing more than a 4 good songs an album kind of band then. Overrated.

Agree on beech boys and pet sounds
Agree on the strokes (the black rebel motorcycle club have always been a far superior band, they came out at the same time and for some reason people gravitated to the strokes a lot more)
Disagree to an extent on oasis, def maybe and what's the story were brilliant, be here now could have been fantastic if they trimmed down the run time, sotsog was decent and had some good songs on it (the band were in trouble at the time and it shows on the record) heathen chemistry was on the low side of ok

I never listened to anything after that but the singles never filled me with glee

[X]

I quite like the Beach Boys. It doesn't need to be intricate or contain social commentary, or be complex or anything ..... when I listen to them, they make me happy

[Batman]

I quite like the Beach Boys. It doesn't need to be intricate or contain social commentary, or be complex or anything ..... when I listen to them, they make me happy

Agree with this also, Beach Boys are Sunday morning whilst tidying up music

[El Kabong]

I'm not too good with the apparently dozens of rock sub-styles..... but I'll just call the Beach Boys the lollipops of rock. Matter of fact, I hesitate to even classify their music as rock. It's more like a nauseating pop, feel-good style. Honestly I never heard anything of value from them. I can't fathom their popularity.

Of the groups you mentioned, Three Dog Night I did like. Some of their hits were bonafide good music at the time they were released.

Well to each their own, I think The Beach Boys were very important. "nauseating" and "feel-good" go together for you do they? They're just a California twist on what groups like Dion and the Belmonts and Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons were doing I guess you didn't like those groups either...to each their own.







I know I ain't common......I got class I ain't even used yet

[TitoFan]

California Girls, while one of the most popular and played Beach Boys songs (not to mention being about a good topic)...... is also one of the most nauseating. The opening tunes.... the whiny singing.... the lollipop sounds.... the nothingness of the music.... BARF. The only group I would think of comparing them to is Air Supply, and even they sound a bit better in comparison.

[Gandalf]

They always go on about Brian Wilson being a tortured genius. Well, anyone would be tortured if they had those melodies going around in their head constantly. It would be bloody annoying to wake up everyday with Good Vibrations going through your head. Give me the lithium!,j5

[walrus]

California Girls, while one of the most popular and played Beach Boys songs (not to mention being about a good topic)...... is also one of the most nauseating. The opening tunes.... the whiny singing.... the lollipop sounds.... the nothingness of the music.... BARF. The only group I would think of comparing them to is Air Supply, and even they sound a bit better in comparison.

I hear ya tits. I'm not into The Beach Boys but my understanding is that pet sounds is an excellent album. Don't forget it was one of The Beach Boys that discovered Charles Manson. Charlie had met, I beleive it was Brian Wilson at the same house that Roman Polanski later occupied. It is suspected that's who Manson wanted to kill as they never called him back. Basically, The Beach Boys killed a lot of people and the Beatles get blamed for it

[Batman]

California Girls, while one of the most popular and played Beach Boys songs (not to mention being about a good topic)...... is also one of the most nauseating. The opening tunes.... the whiny singing.... the lollipop sounds.... the nothingness of the music.... BARF. The only group I would think of comparing them to is Air Supply, and even they sound a bit better in comparison.

I hear ya tits. I'm not into The Beach Boys but my understanding is that pet sounds is an excellent album. Don't forget it was one of The Beach Boys that discovered Charles Manson. Charlie had met, I beleive it was Brian Wilson at the same house that Roman Polanski later occupied. It is suspected that's who Manson wanted to kill as they never called him back. Basically, The Beach Boys killed a lot of people and the Beatles get blamed for it

That'll be Dennis Wilson, I think that it was in in the book Helter Skelter that I read about it (fucking brilliant read by the way, I highly recommend it)

Apparently Wilson let a couple of girls stay at his house with him and then they introduced him to Charley and Wilson had a small almost infatuation with him, he was intrigued more than anything, more and more girls ended up moving into the house (about 16 if I remember rightly) and Charley started making thinly veiled threats towards Wilson (something to do with a bullet but I can't remember exactly what) Wilson went ape shit and moved out of the house and just left them lot living in it.

[Master]

How can you discuss great singers and not have Barry Manilow on here?

[Batman]

How can you discuss great singers and not have Barry Manilow on here?

Oh @Master

Well you came and you gave without taking
But I sent you away, oh Master
And you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
And I need you today, oh Master

[El Kabong]

California Girls, while one of the most popular and played Beach Boys songs (not to mention being about a good topic)...... is also one of the most nauseating. The opening tunes.... the whiny singing.... the lollipop sounds.... the nothingness of the music.... BARF. The only group I would think of comparing them to is Air Supply, and even they sound a bit better in comparison.

I hear ya tits. I'm not into The Beach Boys but my understanding is that pet sounds is an excellent album. Don't forget it was one of The Beach Boys that discovered Charles Manson. Charlie had met, I beleive it was Brian Wilson at the same house that Roman Polanski later occupied. It is suspected that's who Manson wanted to kill as they never called him back. Basically, The Beach Boys killed a lot of people and the Beatles get blamed for it

That'll be Dennis Wilson, I think that it was in in the book Helter Skelter that I read about it (fucking brilliant read by the way, I highly recommend it)

Apparently Wilson let a couple of girls stay at his house with him and then they introduced him to Charley and Wilson had a small almost infatuation with him, he was intrigued more than anything, more and more girls ended up moving into the house (about 16 if I remember rightly) and Charley started making thinly veiled threats towards Wilson (something to do with a bullet but I can't remember exactly what) Wilson went ape shit and moved out of the house and just left them lot living in it.

Dennis had an interesting vibe on his own kind of sounded like Joe Walsh

[Batman]

California Girls, while one of the most popular and played Beach Boys songs (not to mention being about a good topic)...... is also one of the most nauseating. The opening tunes.... the whiny singing.... the lollipop sounds.... the nothingness of the music.... BARF. The only group I would think of comparing them to is Air Supply, and even they sound a bit better in comparison.

I hear ya tits. I'm not into The Beach Boys but my understanding is that pet sounds is an excellent album. Don't forget it was one of The Beach Boys that discovered Charles Manson. Charlie had met, I beleive it was Brian Wilson at the same house that Roman Polanski later occupied. It is suspected that's who Manson wanted to kill as they never called him back. Basically, The Beach Boys killed a lot of people and the Beatles get blamed for it

That'll be Dennis Wilson, I think that it was in in the book Helter Skelter that I read about it (fucking brilliant read by the way, I highly recommend it)

Apparently Wilson let a couple of girls stay at his house with him and then they introduced him to Charley and Wilson had a small almost infatuation with him, he was intrigued more than anything, more and more girls ended up moving into the house (about 16 if I remember rightly) and Charley started making thinly veiled threats towards Wilson (something to do with a bullet but I can't remember exactly what) Wilson went ape shit and moved out of the house and just left them lot living in it.

Dennis had an interesting vibe on his own kind of sounded like Joe Walsh

Always liked Joe Walsh as well, he gave Jimmy Page his first Les Paul didn't he, well depending on what story you believe, he either gave it him or Jimmy stole it.