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Re: Is Floyd finally retired?
You seem to remember just enough history to paint a picture that is completely dishonest.Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ricky fought Luis Collazo at 147 before the Floyd fight, and he looked like shit. He fought again at 140 and after that Floyd was ready to fight him......at 147.Just had a look, he had fought there previously but hed moved back down to light welter before the Floyd fightWasn't Hatton already fighting at 147 when he fought Floyd?
Hatton like Arturo Gatti was one of those guys who just bulks up and out muscles and overpowers an opponent now I'm not saying Ricky would have beaten Floyd at 140, but I AM saying Floyd didn't face THE BEST Ricky Hatton just like he didn't face THE BEST Miguel Cotto or Mosley or De la Hoya. And there are guys he never fought, plenty of them in his era who were extremely worthy of a shot at him and why not? Williams, Tszyu, Margarito....I get that not EVERY fight gets made, but come on when Floyd fought Henry Bruseles Miguel Cotto was right there in the crowd watching and waiting for his chance....which came 7 years and 2 big losses later.
When Frazier beat Ali Foreman IMMEDIATELY fought Frazier, when Foreman whupped Frazier, Ali IMMEDIATELY fought Big George...the true GREATS fight the best out there and don't fucking cherry pick.
Everything you listed can easily be explained except Paul Williams.
Margarito and Cotto, when Floyd fought Gatti Cotto's people were approached about a Floyd/Cotto fight and they said they weren't interested at this time. Later when Floyd was still with Arum he said he would fight Margarito for 8 million, Cotto for 10 or ODLH for 15. Arum said the money wasn't there. So Floyd left. This is all in Dan Rafael's archives. Floyd had a small window to buy out of his contract that would expire in a matter of 2 months. Arum offered him Margarito but it came with the addendum of 1)a contract extension and 2)Arum said he wasn't willing to negotiate an ODLH fight ever. So Floyd paid 750k and was a free agent. Only then did Arum offer him Margarito for 8 million free and clear. Which obviously is really a slap in the face offer of 7,250,000. And how about "the money isn't there", well Floyd fought ODLH for far more than 15 million and Cotto for 40 million. So, the money was there.
But speaking of ODLH, Oscar said for years he wouldn't fight Floyd because of respect for Sr. also easy to find. So again, timing isn't Floyd's fault.
Mosley, Floyd offered Shane the fight before he caught Oscar. Shane said he didn't want to step on Oscars toes. Then Floyd offered him 6 million after fighting Vargas. Shane said he had a toothache, said he needed a vacation, he fought one month later than Floyd offered and for I believe 1.5(might have been 2). So again we have the other guy turning down the fight for years.
Hatton, check the night Judah lost to Baldimir. You can find Ray Hatton went out to speak to the press and since Floyd was planning to fight Judah next Ray said they fully expected to have ANOTHER contract offer on their desk in the morning.(because people didn't think the Judah fight would go ahead) And he also said about this contract "which we will decline". They turned down an expected offer, another offer, before they even saw it. Is that the action of people looking at a fight?
Oh, and Tszyu, wrong network but they were already trying to work that out before KT lost to Hatton and ruined that possibility.
In 21 years and 5 divisions there are going to be some guys missed. But people are wrong about who. Floyd should have fought Cassamayor, should have fought Paul Williams and should have fought Winky Wright. Those were the challenges. Not a bum like Margarito that Floyd actually agreed to fight and Arum declined it.
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