Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
You seem to remember just enough history to paint a picture that is completely dishonest.

Everything you listed can easily be explained except Paul Williams.

Margarito and Cotto, when Floyd fought Gatti Cotto's people were approached about a Floyd/Cotto fight and they said they weren't interested at this time. Later when Floyd was still with Arum he said he would fight Margarito for 8 million, Cotto for 10 or ODLH for 15. Arum said the money wasn't there. So Floyd left. This is all in Dan Rafael's archives. Floyd had a small window to buy out of his contract that would expire in a matter of 2 months. Arum offered him Margarito but it came with the addendum of 1)a contract extension and 2)Arum said he wasn't willing to negotiate an ODLH fight ever. So Floyd paid 750k and was a free agent. Only then did Arum offer him Margarito for 8 million free and clear. Which obviously is really a slap in the face offer of 7,250,000. And how about "the money isn't there", well Floyd fought ODLH for far more than 15 million and Cotto for 40 million. So, the money was there.

But speaking of ODLH, Oscar said for years he wouldn't fight Floyd because of respect for Sr. also easy to find. So again, timing isn't Floyd's fault.

Mosley, Floyd offered Shane the fight before he caught Oscar. Shane said he didn't want to step on Oscars toes. Then Floyd offered him 6 million after fighting Vargas. Shane said he had a toothache, said he needed a vacation, he fought one month later than Floyd offered and for I believe 1.5(might have been 2). So again we have the other guy turning down the fight for years.

Hatton, check the night Judah lost to Baldimir. You can find Ray Hatton went out to speak to the press and since Floyd was planning to fight Judah next Ray said they fully expected to have ANOTHER contract offer on their desk in the morning.(because people didn't think the Judah fight would go ahead) And he also said about this contract "which we will decline". They turned down an expected offer, another offer, before they even saw it. Is that the action of people looking at a fight?

Oh, and Tszyu, wrong network but they were already trying to work that out before KT lost to Hatton and ruined that possibility.

In 21 years and 5 divisions there are going to be some guys missed. But people are wrong about who. Floyd should have fought Cassamayor, should have fought Paul Williams and should have fought Winky Wright. Those were the challenges. Not a bum like Margarito that Floyd actually agreed to fight and Arum declined it.
Alright then, let's play this game

"when Floyd fought Gatti Cotto's people were approached about a Floyd/Cotto fight and they said they weren't interested at this time."
-Citation?
-What weight class 140 or 147?

"Later when Floyd was still with Arum he said he would fight Margarito for 8 million, Cotto for 10 or ODLH for 15. Arum said the money wasn't there."
-Citation?

"Floyd had a small window to buy out of his contract that would expire in a matter of 2 months. Arum offered him Margarito but it came with the addendum of 1)a contract extension and 2)Arum said he wasn't willing to negotiate an ODLH fight ever. So Floyd paid 750k and was a free agent. Only then did Arum offer him Margarito for 8 million free and clear. Which obviously is really a slap in the face offer of 7,250,000."
-Citation?
-He still NEVER fought Margarito
-So you blame Bob Arum for hindering Floyd's choices of opponents.....what happened after he left Top Rank?

"well Floyd fought ODLH for far more than 15 million and Cotto for 40 million. So, the money was there."
-I don't care about the money I care that of the talent in his era Floyd didn't bother to fight them and/or waited until the right moment to fight them like until Cotto had 2 losses or De la Hoya was semi-retired

"But speaking of ODLH, Oscar said for years he wouldn't fight Floyd because of respect for Sr. also easy to find. So again, timing isn't Floyd's fault."
-Then you won't have trouble providing the source for that claim
- Maybe the timing wasn't Floyd's fault but we do understand that we had a 34 year old Oscar vs a prime Floyd sooo it's not the same De la Hoya that went toe to toe with Shane or Tito

"So again we have the other guy turning down the fight for years."
-Convenient

"And he also said about this contract "which we will decline". They turned down an expected offer, another offer, before they even saw it. Is that the action of people looking at a fight?"
-Floyd turned down the fights Bob Arum offered him, turnabout is fair play

"Oh, and Tszyu, wrong network but they were already trying to work that out before KT lost to Hatton and ruined that possibility."
-Citation?

"Not a bum like Margarito that Floyd actually agreed to fight and Arum declined it."
-Oh he was a bum at that time was he? He was beating young undefeated fighters like it was nothing, yes NOW we know about him being a cheater, but back then he was considered an extremely dangerous fight for Floyd and we didn't see it, golly gee I wonder why? Oh nah, nah, it was Bob Arum's fault that didn't happen....yeah, sure thing