Who's The Best

[Fenster]

It's been a while since I have seen these fights
So maybe you're correct but I seem to remember
Robin Reid knocking him down and it getting ruled a slip
Then Reid losing two or three points for nothing
Didn't he actually get warned at one stage for punching?
Like I said it's been a while so I could be wrong
I actually remember Reid beating both Ottke and Calzaghe.

The ref was pathetic/inept/biased but Reid wasn't robbed on the cards, it was a close fight that he threw away down the stretch when he got tired/ran out of ideas (imo).

I don't think he was robbed against Calzaghe either, he also claims he was "robbed" against Lacy. Why? Because the Americans (team Lacy) treated him so badly. They didn't provide adequate accommodation/food/transport/training conditions so he was handicapped on the night. If the fight was in England he would have won (so he says).

That's my point about fighters/fans crying robbery. Doesn't matter who it is or where they come from there's always someone claiming unfair treatment/corruption. Americans say Britian is corrupt, Britain says Germany, Germany says America and so on and on.

[Mr140]

Leonard was the best in my eyes and manged to be fighting in a era with a lot of legends who he manged to come out on top against. His comeback out of retirement to beat the mw goat is pretty much unheard of.

[GaMo]

It's been a while since I have seen these fights
So maybe you're correct but I seem to remember
Robin Reid knocking him down and it getting ruled a slip
Then Reid losing two or three points for nothing
Didn't he actually get warned at one stage for punching?
Like I said it's been a while so I could be wrong
I actually remember Reid beating both Ottke and Calzaghe.

The ref was pathetic/inept/biased but Reid wasn't robbed on the cards, it was a close fight that he threw away down the stretch when he got tired/ran out of ideas (imo).

I don't think he was robbed against Calzaghe either, he also claims he was "robbed" against Lacy. Why? Because the Americans (team Lacy) treated him so badly. They didn't provide adequate accommodation/food/transport/training conditions so he was handicapped on the night. If the fight was in England he would have won (so he says).

That's my point about fighters/fans crying robbery. Doesn't matter who it is or where they come from there's always someone claiming unfair treatment/corruption. Americans say Britian is corrupt, Britain says Germany, Germany says America and so on and on.

Reid wasn't robbed on the cards because of the referee
If he had of properly ruled the knockdown and not taken points
Then I imagine the cards would've been in Reid's favour.

The Abraham-Miranda fight was another example
Of bad judging and even worse refereeing in Germany.

The Calzaghe fight was close but Reid landed the better shots
All the clean, hard effective punches came from him.
I thought he did enough to win a close decision
But it was close. He obviously wasn't robbed against Lacy
He got floored multiple times, fouled and complained all night.

[Spicoli]

Still say if you want true dedicated corrupt ref Argentina takes the cake. Only takes one unchecked man on an ego trip to dictate the big picture flow of a fight.

[palmerq]

People always talk like sven ottke never actually won a fight but he was actually a monsterous power puncher

high quality video alert
https://youtu.be/r97Qq8s119s?t=188

see he actually ko'd someone ! and anthony the man mundine too...he's called the man he must be good... also kessler couldnt ko the man so ottke > kessler :S

[GaMo]

People always talk like sven ottke never actually won a fight but he was actually a monsterous power puncher

high quality video alert
https://youtu.be/r97Qq8s119s?t=188

see he actually ko'd someone ! and anthony the man mundine too...he's called the man he must be good... also kessler couldnt ko the man so ottke > kessler :S

I haven't seen much of him to really give a grade
But the few fights I have seen he looked very average
I don't really rate Kessler all that highly to be honest
He lost every big fight he had (he got a gift against Froch)

[Master]

People always talk like sven ottke never actually won a fight but he was actually a monsterous power puncher

high quality video alert
https://youtu.be/r97Qq8s119s?t=188

see he actually ko'd someone ! and anthony the man mundine too...he's called the man he must be good... also kessler couldnt ko the man so ottke > kessler :S

I haven't seen much of him to really give a grade
But the few fights I have seen he looked very average
I don't really rate Kessler all that highly to be honest
He lost every big fight he had (he got a gift against Froch)

Sven Ottke was poor and Kessler would have beaten him. Kessler beat Froch in a close and classic fight the first time, it was not a gift.

[Primo Carnera]

People always talk like sven ottke never actually won a fight but he was actually a monsterous power puncher

high quality video alert
https://youtu.be/r97Qq8s119s?t=188

see he actually ko'd someone ! and anthony the man mundine too...he's called the man he must be good... also kessler couldnt ko the man so ottke > kessler :S

I haven't seen much of him to really give a grade
But the few fights I have seen he looked very average
I don't really rate Kessler all that highly to be honest
He lost every big fight he had (he got a gift against Froch)

Sven Ottke was poor and Kessler would have beaten him. Kessler beat Froch in a close and classic fight the first time, it was not a gift.

I didn't even think it was close in the first fight, I thought Kessler won quite convincingly.
He also gave Calzaghe and Ward their toughest fights at SMW. Ok , he's no ATG, but that's not a bad CV.

[erics44]

People always talk like sven ottke never actually won a fight but he was actually a monsterous power puncher

high quality video alert
https://youtu.be/r97Qq8s119s?t=188

see he actually ko'd someone ! and anthony the man mundine too...he's called the man he must be good... also kessler couldnt ko the man so ottke > kessler :S

I haven't seen much of him to really give a grade
But the few fights I have seen he looked very average
I don't really rate Kessler all that highly to be honest
He lost every big fight he had (he got a gift against Froch)

Sven Ottke was poor and Kessler would have beaten him. Kessler beat Froch in a close and classic fight the first time, it was not a gift.

froch won the first fight against Kessler just as clearly as did the second

I think it could be described as a gift

[Fenster]

It's been a while since I have seen these fights
So maybe you're correct but I seem to remember
Robin Reid knocking him down and it getting ruled a slip
Then Reid losing two or three points for nothing
Didn't he actually get warned at one stage for punching?
Like I said it's been a while so I could be wrong
I actually remember Reid beating both Ottke and Calzaghe.

The ref was pathetic/inept/biased but Reid wasn't robbed on the cards, it was a close fight that he threw away down the stretch when he got tired/ran out of ideas (imo).

I don't think he was robbed against Calzaghe either, he also claims he was "robbed" against Lacy. Why? Because the Americans (team Lacy) treated him so badly. They didn't provide adequate accommodation/food/transport/training conditions so he was handicapped on the night. If the fight was in England he would have won (so he says).

That's my point about fighters/fans crying robbery. Doesn't matter who it is or where they come from there's always someone claiming unfair treatment/corruption. Americans say Britian is corrupt, Britain says Germany, Germany says America and so on and on.

Reid wasn't robbed on the cards because of the referee
If he had of properly ruled the knockdown and not taken points
Then I imagine the cards would've been in Reid's favour.

The Abraham-Miranda fight was another example
Of bad judging and even worse refereeing in Germany.

The Calzaghe fight was close but Reid landed the better shots
All the clean, hard effective punches came from him.
I thought he did enough to win a close decision
But it was close. He obviously wasn't robbed against Lacy
He got floored multiple times, fouled and complained all night.

Yes it's all about opinion.

Who won? Depends on who you ask. Worst country for dodgy decisions? Depends on who you ask.

[Fenster]

Lawrence Cole (P4P no.1)