Anthony Joshua v Carlos Takam 28 October 2017

[Alpha]

Not sure but I think most knew Haye would beat Bellew.

[Ron Swanson]

Not sure but I think most knew Haye would beat Bellew.

Fine, let's forget that Haye was clearly better than Valuev.

You still have the obvious 2 of Wlad and Vitali. You still have Povetkin, you still have Chambers, you still have Chagaev who already beat him and Evan Fields who already beat him.

That's still 6 to have above Valuev, and that's not even considering other better fighters. Valuev never did anything because he wasn't any good. His biggest accomplishment is beating Ruiz twice in the middle of a stretch where Ruiz won 3 of 8 fights. And he couldn't even do that convincingly.

[Alpha]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

This is how messed up it is trying to get the simplest point across to Master, nobody is saying Valuev is any good. He won't even say it but he wants to at the same time use it as evidence that Haye did fight good heavyweights. He and John Ruiz who had won 3 out 7 fights coming into the Haye fight. None of it makes any sense.

[Master]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

This is how messed up it is trying to get the simplest point across to Master, nobody is saying Valuev is any good. He won't even say it but he wants to at the same time use it as evidence that Haye did fight good heavyweights. He and John Ruiz who had won 3 out 7 fights coming into the Haye fight. None of it makes any sense.

I do not want to labour this point Ronnie. All I am saying is that Valuev as a champion would automatically rated and have been ranked in the top 5 at the time. Yes he was very poor and protected by Don King which is why he kept getting shots at that particular trinket.

When Haye fought Valuev it was not in the UK and Holyfield did not get the decision. The same could have easily happened for Haye.

[Batman]

So Pulev is going to give his earnings from the fight to charity "if he wins"

Just goes to show a complete lack of confidence, Chisora gave 20k to charity when Haye beat him.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

This is how messed up it is trying to get the simplest point across to Master, nobody is saying Valuev is any good. He won't even say it but he wants to at the same time use it as evidence that Haye did fight good heavyweights. He and John Ruiz who had won 3 out 7 fights coming into the Haye fight. None of it makes any sense.

I do not want to labour this point Ronnie. All I am saying is that Valuev as a champion would automatically rated and have been ranked in the top 5 at the time. Yes he was very poor and protected by Don King which is why he kept getting shots at that particular trinket.

When Haye fought Valuev it was not in the UK and Holyfield did not get the decision. The same could have easily happened for Haye.

So you admit he's crap but give him a faulty rating and then judge him by that faulty rating rather than judging him by his actual quality.

The things you say make absolutely no sense man. You should judge him in real terms. Reality is a very simple thing. If you would stay in it these conversations wouldn't be so complicated.

[Master]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

This is how messed up it is trying to get the simplest point across to Master, nobody is saying Valuev is any good. He won't even say it but he wants to at the same time use it as evidence that Haye did fight good heavyweights. He and John Ruiz who had won 3 out 7 fights coming into the Haye fight. None of it makes any sense.

I do not want to labour this point Ronnie. All I am saying is that Valuev as a champion would automatically rated and have been ranked in the top 5 at the time. Yes he was very poor and protected by Don King which is why he kept getting shots at that particular trinket.

When Haye fought Valuev it was not in the UK and Holyfield did not get the decision. The same could have easily happened for Haye.

So you admit he's crap but give him a faulty rating and then judge him by that faulty rating rather than judging him by his actual quality.

The things you say make absolutely no sense man. You should judge him in real terms. Reality is a very simple thing. If you would stay in it these conversations wouldn't be so complicated.

It is not too complicated. An example could be Parker who happens to hold WBO title. I believe he is worse than Pulev or Stiverne but because he has a title is rated higher.