Anthony Joshua v Carlos Takam 28 October 2017

[Alpha]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

This is how messed up it is trying to get the simplest point across to Master, nobody is saying Valuev is any good. He won't even say it but he wants to at the same time use it as evidence that Haye did fight good heavyweights. He and John Ruiz who had won 3 out 7 fights coming into the Haye fight. None of it makes any sense.

[Master]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

This is how messed up it is trying to get the simplest point across to Master, nobody is saying Valuev is any good. He won't even say it but he wants to at the same time use it as evidence that Haye did fight good heavyweights. He and John Ruiz who had won 3 out 7 fights coming into the Haye fight. None of it makes any sense.

I do not want to labour this point Ronnie. All I am saying is that Valuev as a champion would automatically rated and have been ranked in the top 5 at the time. Yes he was very poor and protected by Don King which is why he kept getting shots at that particular trinket.

When Haye fought Valuev it was not in the UK and Holyfield did not get the decision. The same could have easily happened for Haye.

[Batman]

So Pulev is going to give his earnings from the fight to charity "if he wins"

Just goes to show a complete lack of confidence, Chisora gave 20k to charity when Haye beat him.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

This is how messed up it is trying to get the simplest point across to Master, nobody is saying Valuev is any good. He won't even say it but he wants to at the same time use it as evidence that Haye did fight good heavyweights. He and John Ruiz who had won 3 out 7 fights coming into the Haye fight. None of it makes any sense.

I do not want to labour this point Ronnie. All I am saying is that Valuev as a champion would automatically rated and have been ranked in the top 5 at the time. Yes he was very poor and protected by Don King which is why he kept getting shots at that particular trinket.

When Haye fought Valuev it was not in the UK and Holyfield did not get the decision. The same could have easily happened for Haye.

So you admit he's crap but give him a faulty rating and then judge him by that faulty rating rather than judging him by his actual quality.

The things you say make absolutely no sense man. You should judge him in real terms. Reality is a very simple thing. If you would stay in it these conversations wouldn't be so complicated.

[Master]

I'm not arguing that Value was top 5. I'm just saying that's why they fight the fights.

This is how messed up it is trying to get the simplest point across to Master, nobody is saying Valuev is any good. He won't even say it but he wants to at the same time use it as evidence that Haye did fight good heavyweights. He and John Ruiz who had won 3 out 7 fights coming into the Haye fight. None of it makes any sense.

I do not want to labour this point Ronnie. All I am saying is that Valuev as a champion would automatically rated and have been ranked in the top 5 at the time. Yes he was very poor and protected by Don King which is why he kept getting shots at that particular trinket.

When Haye fought Valuev it was not in the UK and Holyfield did not get the decision. The same could have easily happened for Haye.

So you admit he's crap but give him a faulty rating and then judge him by that faulty rating rather than judging him by his actual quality.

The things you say make absolutely no sense man. You should judge him in real terms. Reality is a very simple thing. If you would stay in it these conversations wouldn't be so complicated.

It is not too complicated. An example could be Parker who happens to hold WBO title. I believe he is worse than Pulev or Stiverne but because he has a title is rated higher.

[Alpha]

I'd have Pulev ahead of Parker at this stage, but Stiverne should not even be rated top 10 right now. Not saying Valuev was top 5 but some guys on here had him rated from #4 to #7 so Masters claim of top 5 is not totally out of left field:

HEAVYWEIGHT:
1.Wladimir Klitschko
2.Vitali Klitschko
3.Ruslan Chagaev
4.Alexander Povetkin
5.Sultan Ibragimov
6.Nicoly Valuev
7.Juan Carlos Gomez
8.Sam Peter
9.Alexander Dimitrenko
10.David Haye

Heavyweight

1. Wlad Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Nicolay Valuev
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Juan Carlos Gomez
7. Sam Peter
8. David Haye
9. Alexander Dimitrenko
10. Chris Arreola

Heavyweight
1. Wlad Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Alexander Povetkin
5. Sultan Ibragimov
6. Sam Peter
7. Nicolay Valuev
8. Juan Carlos Gomez
9. Chris Arreola
10. David Haye

Heavyweight
1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Chagaev
4. Gomez
5. Valuev
6. Haye
7. Povetkin
8. Peter
9. Ibragimov
10. Dimitrenko

Heavyweight
1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Chagaev
4. Valuev
5. Povetkin
6. Gomez
7. Ibragimov
8. Peter
9. Haye
10.Arreola

Heavyweight

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Nikolai Valuev
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Juan Carlos Gomez
7. Alexander Dimitrenko
8. Chris Arreola
9. Samuel Peter
10. David Haye

[Master]