This place has run its course......

[J_Undisputed]

Rather than exiting quietly, a "this place sucks!.." on the way out the door, definitely sounds like someone a$$ is chaffed about something. Most of the news sites forums and facebook feeds I read seem to be filled with casuals that have rather polarizing opinions. There are a few knowledgeable people out there willing to back up their opinion, but usually those people get ignored or bombarded with insults by the Keyboard warriors that "know everything" from watching a highlight videos or what kellerman or lampley said. I'm not saying we don't get those here from time to time, but usually they either don't stay long or they kind of get up to speed and tone down the loud baseless stuff and actually settle in and start give opinions back that people are going to respond to. Even if its only just a clicking of the like button as a response.

I used to post on the HBO forums (it was just a mess of people trying to talk over each other with noone listening- all give, no take) before I joined here 12 years ago (wow has it been that long) but I would say I started posting more and more here as the years went by. When someone says something that gets me to jump at the reply button or a thread that has my opinions are flying out of my mouth before my eyes have finished the title, I start typing furiously. There's other threads that i actually might start typing and then just decide not to post because its not really adding anything. My posts can be long winded and may not be everyone's particular brand of vodka, and some people may rebut and others maybe wont even read and just skip, but i don't ever recall having a post deleted or being prohibited from expressing my opinion here. Sometimes people will share your opinion and sometimes they won't and they walk away and leave you to your madness. That's life. We don't always agree, but you can agree to disagree with someone that has presented a good case. The cheeky jabs at one another are just from people that have been dealing with each other for a long time.

I've found this forum to be a club of sorts.. like any other sort of connoisseur based club (cigars, wine/ whiskey, Motorcycle, shooting etc). Everyone's opinion is welcome. It's not the content of your opinion as much as the presentation. If you think Floyd's the best because he's made the most money, sure people will disagree with you. If your claims are baseless but you are obnoxious about it, expect to be called out. If you think Triple G is the best fighter ever, because the punches don't count if they don't drop him... Also expect to be called out as some might think this is a ludicrous claim. In this respect, this forum might be the same in many other places, but i think the difference is many of the public facebook and other social media feeds are more diluted with the casual baseless fanboy opinions, so one more for the pile makes it more interesting. Here, I think many people still come here because they're are tired of weeding through the posts by the drunk party girl that thinks a fighter should win because hes cuter... and posts from another person that thinks Broner will still be a champion because hes gangsta.... or any other kind of unrelated, irrationally biased posts, just to feel like they are talking boxing with someone else that knows boxing.

Having a valued member taken from us too soon is a lot worse than losing a disgruntled member to another forum, in my opinion...

[Ron Swanson]

I’ve never seen censorship. In fact I would prefer to see a bit. There is no place for bigotry in an advanced society but it seems advanced society is largely a myth.

I’d say here the issues would be

1)people become caracatures of themselves over time. So you know what people will say before they speak regardless of the evidence. But that’s natural from getting to know people. Perhaps they don’t even see their own biases. I’m probably as guilty as the next guy

2)too much focus on UK fighters rather than the world. But again, natural. People care about what’s familiar

3)too accepting of status quo. Just because things are a certain way doesn’t mean that’s the right way. Not that every fight should be a super fight. But there are always right fights to make and wrong. Danny Garcia is a perfect example of a guy that consistently makes the wrong fights. And those that look to fight Danny Garcia. Danny should be as irrelevant as Amir Khan at this point. But this too could be simply a different mentality. In USA fans have a higher expectation of fighters than here, probably born of a long history of harder expectations. Maybe what’s right for the fighter should be what’s right for the fans. It’s just not what I grew up with. Maybe I need to evolve to accept soft seat joy with the herd.

[Dia bando]

I’ve never seen censorship. In fact I would prefer to see a bit. There is no place for bigotry in an advanced society but it seems advanced society is largely a myth.

I’d say here the issues would be

1)people become caracatures of themselves over time. So you know what people will say before they speak regardless of the evidence. But that’s natural from getting to know people. Perhaps they don’t even see their own biases. I’m probably as guilty as the next guy

2)too much focus on UK fighters rather than the world. But again, natural. People care about what’s familiar

3)too accepting of status quo. Just because things are a certain way doesn’t mean that’s the right way. Not that every fight should be a super fight. But there are always right fights to make and wrong. Danny Garcia is a perfect example of a guy that consistently makes the wrong fights. And those that look to fight Danny Garcia. Danny should be as irrelevant as Amir Khan at this point. But this too could be simply a different mentality. In USA fans have a higher expectation of fighters than here, probably born of a long history of harder expectations. Maybe what’s right for the fighter should be what’s right for the fans. It’s just not what I grew up with. Maybe I need to evolve to accept soft seat joy with the herd.

Through the years things change a good fighter is a good fighter regardless of there origin what you expect and what you get are two different
things.
The modern era of boxing guys get a title very early in there carers also carers are a lot shorter not many champions go past 30 plus fights theses days ! the Eastern block has opened up and produced some fine fighters.
The USA no longer dominates the sport a sign of the times a big change in the sport a breath of fresh air a new World order maybe.

[Beanz]

I’ve never seen censorship. In fact I would prefer to see a bit. There is no place for bigotry in an advanced society but it seems advanced society is largely a myth.

I’d say here the issues would be

1)people become caracatures of themselves over time. So you know what people will say before they speak regardless of the evidence. But that’s natural from getting to know people. Perhaps they don’t even see their own biases. I’m probably as guilty as the next guy

2)too much focus on UK fighters rather than the world. But again, natural. People care about what’s familiar

3)too accepting of status quo. Just because things are a certain way doesn’t mean that’s the right way. Not that every fight should be a super fight. But there are always right fights to make and wrong. Danny Garcia is a perfect example of a guy that consistently makes the wrong fights. And those that look to fight Danny Garcia. Danny should be as irrelevant as Amir Khan at this point. But this too could be simply a different mentality. In USA fans have a higher expectation of fighters than here, probably born of a long history of harder expectations. Maybe what’s right for the fighter should be what’s right for the fans. It’s just not what I grew up with. Maybe I need to evolve to accept soft seat joy with the herd.

1) Never a truer word spoke..oy vey



2) It's a forum started by a Brit and originally populated by Brits. The most prolific posters are Brits. There are a lot of televised fights for British fight fans to watch, which many do religiously and post about in the RBR's here. British boxers are a big part of world boxing, always have been since day one, but now more then ever. Most British Boxing fans will watch fighters and fights form anywhere. The next most prolific posters and greatest in numbers here are Americans and that is bloody great. It is one of the few places online where you lot are not the dominant voice, but this place would not be the same without you, many who have been here since day one.

3) Don't really understand what you mean here? Yes you have a bigger pool to wade through but conversely if you make it in the USA then you have a huge potential home audience. Here in Europe you can dominate and Americans don't even know who you are.

[Ron Swanson]

I’ve never seen censorship. In fact I would prefer to see a bit. There is no place for bigotry in an advanced society but it seems advanced society is largely a myth.

I’d say here the issues would be

1)people become caracatures of themselves over time. So you know what people will say before they speak regardless of the evidence. But that’s natural from getting to know people. Perhaps they don’t even see their own biases. I’m probably as guilty as the next guy

2)too much focus on UK fighters rather than the world. But again, natural. People care about what’s familiar

3)too accepting of status quo. Just because things are a certain way doesn’t mean that’s the right way. Not that every fight should be a super fight. But there are always right fights to make and wrong. Danny Garcia is a perfect example of a guy that consistently makes the wrong fights. And those that look to fight Danny Garcia. Danny should be as irrelevant as Amir Khan at this point. But this too could be simply a different mentality. In USA fans have a higher expectation of fighters than here, probably born of a long history of harder expectations. Maybe what’s right for the fighter should be what’s right for the fans. It’s just not what I grew up with. Maybe I need to evolve to accept soft seat joy with the herd.

1) Never a truer word spoke..oy vey



2) It's a forum started by a Brit and originally populated by Brits. The most prolific posters are Brits. There are a lot of televised fights for British fight fans to watch, which many do religiously and post about in the RBR's here. British boxers are a big part of world boxing, always have been since day one, but now more then ever. Most British Boxing fans will watch fighters and fights form anywhere. The next most prolific posters and greatest in numbers here are Americans and that is bloody great. It is one of the few places online where you lot are not the dominant voice, but this place would not be the same without you, many who have been here since day one.

3) Don't really understand what you mean here? Yes you have a bigger pool to wade through but conversely if you make it in the USA then you have a huge potential home audience. Here in Europe you can dominate and Americans don't even know who you are.

For 3 I just mean I’d like to see more UK guys put in harder. Having more top fighters there should be more top expectations. Like Frampton saying he would never fight Rigondeaux, I liked him but that will be hard for me to ever let go. It seems many are like “I get it”. When people raise their voices things get done. Just look at Loma/Rigo, people got pissed and now it’s happening.

[Primo Carnera]

I’ve never seen censorship. In fact I would prefer to see a bit. There is no place for bigotry in an advanced society but it seems advanced society is largely a myth.

I’d say here the issues would be

1)people become caracatures of themselves over time. So you know what people will say before they speak regardless of the evidence. But that’s natural from getting to know people. Perhaps they don’t even see their own biases. I’m probably as guilty as the next guy

2)too much focus on UK fighters rather than the world. But again, natural. People care about what’s familiar

3)too accepting of status quo. Just because things are a certain way doesn’t mean that’s the right way. Not that every fight should be a super fight. But there are always right fights to make and wrong. Danny Garcia is a perfect example of a guy that consistently makes the wrong fights. And those that look to fight Danny Garcia. Danny should be as irrelevant as Amir Khan at this point. But this too could be simply a different mentality. In USA fans have a higher expectation of fighters than here, probably born of a long history of harder expectations. Maybe what’s right for the fighter should be what’s right for the fans. It’s just not what I grew up with. Maybe I need to evolve to accept soft seat joy with the herd.

1) Never a truer word spoke..oy vey



2) It's a forum started by a Brit and originally populated by Brits. The most prolific posters are Brits. There are a lot of televised fights for British fight fans to watch, which many do religiously and post about in the RBR's here. British boxers are a big part of world boxing, always have been since day one, but now more then ever. Most British Boxing fans will watch fighters and fights form anywhere. The next most prolific posters and greatest in numbers here are Americans and that is bloody great. It is one of the few places online where you lot are not the dominant voice, but this place would not be the same without you, many who have been here since day one.

3) Don't really understand what you mean here? Yes you have a bigger pool to wade through but conversely if you make it in the USA then you have a huge potential home audience. Here in Europe you can dominate and Americans don't even know who you are.

For 3 I just mean I’d like to see more UK guys put in harder. Having more top fighters there should be more top expectations. Like Frampton saying he would never fight Rigondeaux, I liked him but that will be hard for me to ever let go. It seems many are like “I get it”. When people raise their voices things get done. Just look at Loma/Rigo, people got pissed and now it’s happening.

Very fair point. Froch was the same with Ward. Never wanted to rematch him because he knew he couldn't beat him.
The reason they get away with it, is because they can earn big bucks with fights against lesser guys.
The reason for that is that the Brit paying public fall for the hype and will blindly back their man to the hilt.
They throw their money at ppv fights that aren't ppv worthy.
Is it right? Probably not, but that's the way it is and it doesn't look like changing any time soon.
As for point #2, like was pointed out the reason the forum is "Brit stacked", is simply because the Brits post more regularly.
Anyway, back to the OP. @Red Leather Mafia, you've had lots of constructive replies and people asking you questions because they have been polite enough to consider your point of view. You haven't replied once. Either:
A. Your out of signal area.
B. You are considering (very slowly) your response.
C.you didn't get the response you wanted or expected . Or
D. You were just Trolling.
Answers on a postcard please.

[Ron Swanson]

I’ve never seen censorship. In fact I would prefer to see a bit. There is no place for bigotry in an advanced society but it seems advanced society is largely a myth.

I’d say here the issues would be

1)people become caracatures of themselves over time. So you know what people will say before they speak regardless of the evidence. But that’s natural from getting to know people. Perhaps they don’t even see their own biases. I’m probably as guilty as the next guy

2)too much focus on UK fighters rather than the world. But again, natural. People care about what’s familiar

3)too accepting of status quo. Just because things are a certain way doesn’t mean that’s the right way. Not that every fight should be a super fight. But there are always right fights to make and wrong. Danny Garcia is a perfect example of a guy that consistently makes the wrong fights. And those that look to fight Danny Garcia. Danny should be as irrelevant as Amir Khan at this point. But this too could be simply a different mentality. In USA fans have a higher expectation of fighters than here, probably born of a long history of harder expectations. Maybe what’s right for the fighter should be what’s right for the fans. It’s just not what I grew up with. Maybe I need to evolve to accept soft seat joy with the herd.

1) Never a truer word spoke..oy vey



2) It's a forum started by a Brit and originally populated by Brits. The most prolific posters are Brits. There are a lot of televised fights for British fight fans to watch, which many do religiously and post about in the RBR's here. British boxers are a big part of world boxing, always have been since day one, but now more then ever. Most British Boxing fans will watch fighters and fights form anywhere. The next most prolific posters and greatest in numbers here are Americans and that is bloody great. It is one of the few places online where you lot are not the dominant voice, but this place would not be the same without you, many who have been here since day one.

3) Don't really understand what you mean here? Yes you have a bigger pool to wade through but conversely if you make it in the USA then you have a huge potential home audience. Here in Europe you can dominate and Americans don't even know who you are.

For 3 I just mean I’d like to see more UK guys put in harder. Having more top fighters there should be more top expectations. Like Frampton saying he would never fight Rigondeaux, I liked him but that will be hard for me to ever let go. It seems many are like “I get it”. When people raise their voices things get done. Just look at Loma/Rigo, people got pissed and now it’s happening.

Very fair point. Froch was the same with Ward. Never wanted to rematch him because he knew he couldn't beat him.
The reason they get away with it, is because they can earn big bucks with fights against lesser guys.
The reason for that is that the Brit paying public fall for the hype and will blindly back their man to the hilt.
They throw their money at ppv fights that aren't ppv worthy.
Is it right? Probably not, but that's the way it is and it doesn't look like changing any time soon.
As for point #2, like was pointed out the reason the forum is "Brit stacked", is simply because the Brits post more regularly.
Anyway, back to the OP. @Red Leather Mafia, you've had lots of constructive replies and people asking you questions because they have been polite enough to consider your point of view. You haven't replied once. Either:
A. Your out of signal area.
B. You are considering (very slowly) your response.
C.you didn't get the response you wanted or expected . Or
D. You were just Trolling.
Answers on a postcard please.

Perhaps it is also the great domestic scene gets people used to domestic matchups. Often people are excited about fights I think are useless. Like Brook/Khan. People kept talking about that when there were far more important fights. If they wanted to make it now I would be fine with it. But when Brook was on top there was no reason except money to consider Khan because Khan wasn’t on top. Hard for me to understand guys looking down.

[powerpuncher]

I agree with the brits being excited about matchups against each other. I get it but I don’t really like it. Like you said, brook vs khan for the past couple of years wasn’t that interesting of a fight, but the brits really want to see it. Where I’m from, there are no domestic fights to get excited about. I just want the best fights.

I am grateful for all of the brits here though. It has really expanded my knowledge and interest in British fighters.

[Hulk]

The forum has declined in activity and interesting threads. However, it is everything I need it to be these days as I have slowed down too at the age of 30 (on Friday I will be anyway). Still love this place. Always will. George Foreman wants to fight Steven Seagal, how bout that!? Lol

[Hulk]

Thank you gentlemen. I'll be taking Monday off to make it a 3 day weekend.

[TitoFan]

I for one certainly hope the OP's opinion is NOT the case. The forum, like anything that lasts going on 15 years now, has morphed and people have come and gone. Of all the replies I read here, I liked J's the most, and can definitely identify with the following excerpt:

I used to post on the HBO forums (it was just a mess of people trying to talk over each other with noone listening- all give, no take)

I myself tried other forums on more than one occasion, and the feeling of people "trying to talk over each other with no one listening" was definitely there. What's the point in talking about ANYTHING, even boxing, if no one actually reads what you write or responds to it? Some of these places are what I would call "too busy". Seems like by the time you've posted something, there's been 50 new posts and 10 new threads in the very same instant. It's pointless, really.

[Alpha]

I for one certainly hope the OP's opinion is NOT the case. The forum, like anything that lasts going on 15 years now, has morphed and people have come and gone. Of all the replies I read here, I liked J's the most, and can definitely identify with the following excerpt:

I used to post on the HBO forums (it was just a mess of people trying to talk over each other with noone listening- all give, no take)

I myself tried other forums on more than one occasion, and the feeling of people "trying to talk over each other with no one listening" was definitely there. What's the point in talking about ANYTHING, even boxing, if no one actually reads what you write or responds to it? Some of these places are what I would call "too busy". Seems like by the time you've posted something, there's been 50 new posts and 10 new threads in the very same instant. It's pointless, really.

Exactly, and full of trolls who can only see there side of the coin. The know it all's. That stuff is boring. I prefer this community as most are willing to accept an other's opinion and actually enjoy debating with reason and facts.