At least 59 dead, 100 injured in Las Vegas shooting

[Batman]

I'm not au fait with the specifics on the laws and rules with guns but @El Kabong would you not agree that they may need amending.

I mean is the law not hundreds of years old, guns are different animals now to what they were then.

I read something on a different forum and they said (something along the lines of) you could adequately protect your home with a musket and the Vegas dude wouldn't have done anywhere near as much damage with one of those.

Is it right that someone should be able to freely own as many and as powerful guns as they choose that clearly go beyond the means of protection?

Would you accept stricter regulations on them?

One hand gun and one rifle per household or something like that?

[X]

​see what a thorny and emotive issue this is?

[X]

Incidentally, ISIS genuinely claimed responsibility for this event.

It hasn't been picked up by the media, as this is clearly the work of a lone maniac.

It did get me thinking though. Firstly, it shows how desperate they are, and how things are not going well for them generally.

Secondly, it does appear that many 'jihadi' attacks have been carried out by other lone maniacs, who happen to be Muslim and who believe that the Koran told them to do it. I do wonder how many of them were complete lone maniacs, who had absolutely nothing to do with ISIS ..... but we built them up to be a much bigger organisation and threat than they really are?

I don't mean to hijack the thread about this outrage, btw

[El Kabong]

I'm not au fait with the specifics on the laws and rules with guns but @El Kabong would you not agree that they may need amending.

I mean is the law not hundreds of years old, guns are different animals now to what they were then.

I read something on a different forum and they said (something along the lines of) you could adequately protect your home with a musket and the Vegas dude wouldn't have done anywhere near as much damage with one of those.

Is it right that someone should be able to freely own as many and as powerful guns as they choose that clearly go beyond the means of protection?

Would you accept stricter regulations on them?

One hand gun and one rifle per household or something like that?

1. Amending? Probably not, there are a plethora of laws on the subject enforcement is very difficult. One can buy a car without being asked "What are you going to use this car for?" One can buy as many knives as a single person could carry and not be asked "Why are you purchasing these items?" one could even buy household cleaning supplies which could be used to make a bomb and nobody would ever bat an eye. Somebody could likewise buy firearms and lie about what they want to use them for and there's the problem....regardless of what laws are enacted bad people/people with bad intentions WILL GET guns it happens all over the world. It happens in places where guns are banned outright! Why limit the ability of GOOD people, law abiding citizens to purchase firearms?

There are over 300 million firearms in the United States and the very worst place for gun violence (Chicago) has an outright gun ban (City and perhaps county law, not statewide nor Federal which would be unConstitutional).......all that ban does is keep legal, law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and their property.


2. Yes the law is very old but allow me to state the obvious: Free Speech only meant actual talking and print, not the internet or tv or radio.


3. Yes it is right. Different guns serve different purposes. I wouldn't hunt a rabbit with a Remington 700, I wouldn't hunt an Elk with a .22 pistol, and I wouldn't protect my home with a Derringer.

4. Stricter regulations such as?

5. Absolutely not because again, different firearms serve different purposes.

[El Kabong]

But whatever, I'm certain hasty decisions made while you're emotionally blinded won't come back to bite anyone.


Think 6 Million Jews would go quietly on the trains if they had firearms? Think millions upon millions would have worked to death in the gulags if they had access to firearms? Think millions and millions of Chinese would have starved during the Great Leap Forward if they had firearms?



Abe Lincoln may have freed the slaves, but Sam Colt made all men equal

[Beanz]

Lyle why do you assume everyone is as thick as you? You can't even begin to construct a sensible argument about anything. What happened to your fabled "People need guns to protect themselves from other people with guns"? How helpful was that right for those people in Vegas? It didn't even help the police, the wanker shot himself. If he and all the other gun massacre nutjob didn't have the cowardly way out at the end of their own firearm, then maybe they would never start to mow down innocent people. Nobody is trying to take away your rights but as usual even discussing it means that you automatically label anyone who doesn't agree with you as a retard. Feeble.

[El Kabong]

Very odd to be lectured to by folks who live in a country where....



Britain to limit acid sales after steep rise in assaults
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKCN1C817L
(You can literally make this at home)

Selling, buying and carrying knives
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
(you can literally make these at home)


and

Nazi pug: Man arrested after teaching girlfriend's dog to perform Hitler salute as a 'prank'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...og-to-perform/
...but even on the internet there is no free speech?!?!?! No wonder Beanz is such a stick in the mud, the hopeless fucking retard he is.





So yeah....England, the UK....you've gone from nagging the shit out of Americans with your high taxes and no representation to being treated like little children by your own government. My fucking word soon they won't allow you to have stoves you dumb fuckers. How do you cut your fucking steaks if you can't have knives? And if you DO have steak knives, have you registered them with the local authorities, I mean we wouldn't want anyone getting hurt


England's children in the very near future

[ruthless rocco]

Over 200 mass shootings so far this year.
Over 1300 since 2012.

No guns.
No shootings.

[El Kabong]

Over 200 mass shootings so far this year.
Over 1300 since 2012.

Yeah, shooting another person for no reason is a crime....there's over 300,000,000 legally owned guns in America so I'd venture to guess that the overwhelming majority of gun owners (not that it means anything to you) are doing just fine following the rules.


Why do you even care?