driver deliberately mows down pedestrians outside national history museum

[Master]

I never called you a racist, ever.

Those Sikhs are an embarrassment to me. Spreading the same moronic crap I hear from my cousin's who despise Muslims for every bad thing they do but never acknowledging the positive.

[El Kabong]

I never called you a racist, ever.

Those Sikhs are an embarrassment to me. Spreading the same moronic crap I hear from my cousin's who despise Muslims for every bad thing they do but never acknowledging the positive.

Kinda feels like you're lumping me in with people who you think are racist. I certainly don't want that to be the case, if it's not then that's fine.


OK, there are positives that Muslims do in the communities they live in and we certainly can address that and thank them all for their efforts in 1 thread or 80 threads whatever you would liek to do, I would be DELIGHTED to participate in that discussion. HOWEVER, just as #NotAllMuslims are evil, #NotAllMuslims are great either and some of the shit done by the not great Muslims is pretty fucking evil....Rotherham Grooming Gang, 16 Jihadis from just 1 area in Manchester, Anjem Choudary, Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale.....


"The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers. And this British soldier is one.... By Allah, we swear by the almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. So what if we want to live by the Sharia in Muslim lands? Why does that mean you must follow us and chase us and call us extremists and kill us?...when you drop a bomb do you think it hits one person? Or rather your bomb wipes out a whole family? ...Through many passages in the Koran we must fight them as they fight us...I apologise that women had to witness this today but in our lands women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your governments, they don’t care about you. You think David Cameron is gonna get caught in the street when we start busting our guns? Do you think politicians are going to die? No, it's going to be the average guy, like you and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back...leave our lands and you will live in peace."- Michael Adebolajo



Soooo yeah, can we address that because other communities of people in England are not doing THAT.....so I'm asking, pretty please with a cherry on top could we discuss THAT part of Islam because that's KINDA a bigger problem than most and it's KINDA hurting other folks sooooo can we prioritize fixing that? Not ALL Muslims, not ALL of Islam, not 1 race, just those parts of a CULTURE, we'll do those first and then maybe the acid attacks and idk knife crime or what have you next.

[Master]

That is inciting hatred and they should be arrested under the current laws. Deported if possible and hopefully die in one of their jihad conflicts.

[El Kabong]

That is inciting hatred and they should be arrested under the current laws. Deported if possible and hopefully die in one of their jihad conflicts.

Well it was inciting hatred AFTER they cut up Lee Rigby to be specific......the talking about this is good, the DOING about this would be better.


I WANT Muslim Immigrants to become American and the British should want their Muslims to become British....it doesn't mean getting rid of all things Muslim, it means understanding you're in a new place with laws that are a lot different and that needs to be respected. For example I wouldn't go to Iran and demand to be served pork BBQ and that all the gals wear Daisy Dukes instead of hijab/niqab/burqas because that would be disrespectful of the people who call Iran their HOME.....America is my HOME and I would like people to behave accordingly, England is your HOME do you not want the same?



This is a give and take situation...you TAKE in certain parts of their cultures and they in turn GIVE up certain parts of their cultures and in the end they learn a little about us and we learn a little about them and everyone is a good happy neighbor and we all get along without terrorism and child sex slavery....sounds like a plan no? Because that's all I'm asking for.

[Master]

Agreed but these criminals are just that peadophiles, abusers and scum bags who happen to be Muslim.

[El Kabong]

Agreed but these criminals are just that peadophiles, abusers and scum bags who happen to be Muslim.

And terrorists who are fighting for one of the 100% Militant Islamic armies: Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram etc.


There's a problem in the community, I want that community to be happy, healthy, and be good neighbors like everyone else.

[Master]

Agreed but these criminals are just that peadophiles, abusers and scum bags who happen to be Muslim.

And terrorists who are fighting for one of the 100% Militant Islamic armies: Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram etc.


There's a problem in the community, I want that community to be happy, healthy, and be good neighbors like everyone else.

So do i.

Those militant jihadist Muslims are desperate to recruit anyone and will try and take credit for anything that is harmful to the west. Blaming all Muslims can alienate and disenfranchise young misguided fools which is what I do not want to see.

[Fenster]

Agreed but these criminals are just that peadophiles, abusers and scum bags who happen to be Muslim.

[Master]

Criminal is a criminal. I do not care what community they come from.

Abuse was rife in churches, homes and by celebrities. How many of those were Muslim?

[Beanz]

Agreed but these criminals are just that peadophiles, abusers and scum bags who happen to be Muslim.

Fenster you can see this is a non sequitur yes? It does not follow that these scum bags are paedos and rapists because they are Muslim. Or you would have to say that Catholic priests who are paedos are because they are Catholic. Because they are celibate priests? that is another argument /excuse entirely. The other glaringly obvious fallacy with this video and the case that it discusses, is that it is built on a myth that it demolishes itself by discussing it. So the press the radio, the television, yes even this interview talks about how people cannot discuss British Muslim nonce rapists, whilst discussing a headline story about them in Britain's leading tabloid newspaper.

So the problem arises also when people insist on both these criminals being called British Muslims whilst insisting these are not British Muslims if they behave like this . They are just Muslim scum. But what about all the other vast majority of Muslims who are appalled by this? are they Muslim, British Muslim, or is it just easier to call them Muslim Scum?


The fundamental problem though is the insistence that those calling people black scum, Muslim Scum etc are not racist or Islamaphobic because they have GOOD black and/or Muslim friends, but that anyone pointing out that this should not define a whole ethnic or religious group must be by definition and necessity, both apologists and naive ostriches burying their head in the sand.

Why?

Because that is the only way to lend credence to a non argument and create a weak, phony opponent. When have I or Master ever denied that there was a problem with some sectors of the British Muslim population? Ever? Once? and think about what a Sikh or a Jew might have to gain by insisting on something like that. It only makes sense if you are creating another stereotype and reducing people to a cardboard cut-out in order to discredit them. Admittedly i am not above this myself in the way I may talk to Lyle recently and others who insist on creating this false narrative. It is a device though that become second nature when the dominant and majority narrative here is so weighed in favour of anti immigration which inevitably leaks into anti-minority. So first it's anti-muslim, then the Jews are fair game, then Pikeys and gypos are always just asking for it, then people with green hair, then people who play loud music, then people who vote for the left etc. etc. etc

[Beanz]

That is inciting hatred and they should be arrested under the current laws. Deported if possible and hopefully die in one of their jihad conflicts.

Well it was inciting hatred AFTER they cut up Lee Rigby to be specific......the talking about this is good, the DOING about this would be better.


I WANT Muslim Immigrants to become American and the British should want their Muslims to become British....it doesn't mean getting rid of all things Muslim, it means understanding you're in a new place with laws that are a lot different and that needs to be respected. For example I wouldn't go to Iran and demand to be served pork BBQ and that all the gals wear Daisy Dukes instead of hijab/niqab/burqas because that would be disrespectful of the people who call Iran their HOME.....America is my HOME and I would like people to behave accordingly, England is your HOME do you not want the same?



This is a give and take situation...you TAKE in certain parts of their cultures and they in turn GIVE up certain parts of their cultures and in the end they learn a little about us and we learn a little about them and everyone is a good happy neighbor and we all get along without terrorism and child sex slavery....sounds like a plan no? Because that's all I'm asking for.

@El Kabong. I would say with all due respect, but I don't have much left for you when you act like this. Fucking stop telling everybody what to do in England. "The British should want this...the British need to be taught this" . Can you not see what a hypocritical twat that makes you sound like? Stop defending racist cunts, and then maybe, just maybe, people will not mistake you for a racists chief apologist. The EDL do not represent the English anymore than the fucking KKK represent Americans, you massive tool. You are telling Master that it feels like he is lumping you in with racists, as you actively, and repeatedly, expend energy defending racists. Not only that. You are defining Muslims by those very same terms that you are whining about people supposedly using to describe you. Think about it. Thai is a thread about a non -Muslim not carrying out a terror attack and you are using it as an excuse to fucking ramp up animosity towards Muslims and Immigrants in Britain. You are accusing Immigrants of not respecting Britain whilst being a condescending cunt to a British Sikh, who has probably been at the sharp end of abuse from cunts like Tommy and his band of merry wankers, telling him he should be ready to be exploited by the EDL, like the Sikhs in the video.

The EDL exploit things like the Murder of Lee Rigby for their own political gains. They descend on towns and cities across the country and get pissed up looking for easy targets to outnumber and beat up. They are not freedom fighters standing up for England or free speech or anyone's rights but their own right to intimidate women and have a tear up. If there are no anti-facists there to face the cunts off, they will brawl with the police or each other.


I know you will not read this while your knickers are in such a twist but unlike Trump you cannot censor and select who have the right to reply, on a forum which you do not own. Constructive debate works two ways and you don't get to dictate how that happens.