Czyz, Mancini, Pazienza, Gamache, Van Horn

[mikeeod]

Interesting thread. Giving it a modern spin - Joe Smith Jr is the only current American white guy (excluding Latinos) rated in The Ring top 10 per division in the entire sport. Never even thought about it before, but how can a country with such a rich history be so under-represented? Non-Hispanic white's make up around 65% of 300 million people.Recently, Cletus Seldin got a spot on Danny Jacobs HBO undercard, although unbeaten with a pretty record, it was clear he was very limited, yet HBO requested he open their next show (Saunders-Lemieux) where, expectedly, he was totally exposed. Did he get that slot because he's white?Pavlik, in his pomp, once said he was underrated in America by fans/media because he's white, that even in gyms, he was looked at as the goofy white guy, until they saw him fight of course.

Caleb Plant is a good white fighter and stepping up against Porky Medina soon. I like Plant as he’s slick n has the best feints in the game right now imo. Hot girlfriend too in Jordan Hardy, the host of PBC.

Like to see Caleb develop a mean streak and press his leads, top notch skills to build on though.Fair to say Morrison was much more 'great white hype' than all 4 in thread title? Only one I'd come close to thinking a 'club fighter-over achiever' may be Paz. Rest were well rounded. speaking of Paz apparently he went ballistic and beat the ever loving crap out of some guy on New Years http://wpri.com/2018/01/03/wanted-fo...ns-himself-in/

#Metoo and I think Plant will against Medina, who really brings it. Paz had real talent and world class heart. Legendary heart. Much better than an overachieving club fighter I feel.Morrison was very good in his prime and hit extremely hard with that left hook. Razor and Foreman are quality wins. Better than anyone Wilder has defeated n better than everyone Joshua has beaten save Klitschko.Saw that about Paz beating up his friend for stealing from him. He’s a fiery guy lol

Agreed on heart, one thing you could never question about Pazienza. The guy was as determined and passionate as they come.

Morrison was one that I've reversed on over time. When he was coming up I think it was the incessant push and hype that turned me off. Arum and Cayton definitely played him up being a white dude with an actual shot at heavyweight success. Hype to the point of Stallone casting for Rocky and espn filming his 20th fight, the phony name ring attire and Sly 'working' the corner for future film footage. Regardless of early over hype Morrison very much proved his heart and punch later on. He also imo never gets credit for changing up and fighting smart vs Foreman, solid boxing learned over time. Loved the war with Joe Hipp too. One with a broken jaw and busted hand, the other with a shattered cheekbone and a face turned to raw hamburger. Awesome fight.

Great post and good reference using the Hipp fight. I also thought Tommy looked ok in the Razor Ruddock fight, although I do recognize that Ruddock was well past his prime. I think Tommy's biggest issue was managing stress and sel confidence. I don't feel that he became exhausted due to a lack of conditioning or training, I think it was due to nerves/stress and lack of pacing. I don't think I appreciated the heavyweights of the nineties as much as I should have during that time.

[Master]

Interesting thread. Giving it a modern spin - Joe Smith Jr is the only current American white guy (excluding Latinos) rated in The Ring top 10 per division in the entire sport. Never even thought about it before, but how can a country with such a rich history be so under-represented? Non-Hispanic white's make up around 65% of 300 million people.Recently, Cletus Seldin got a spot on Danny Jacobs HBO undercard, although unbeaten with a pretty record, it was clear he was very limited, yet HBO requested he open their next show (Saunders-Lemieux) where, expectedly, he was totally exposed. Did he get that slot because he's white?Pavlik, in his pomp, once said he was underrated in America by fans/media because he's white, that even in gyms, he was looked at as the goofy white guy, until they saw him fight of course.

Caleb Plant is a good white fighter and stepping up against Porky Medina soon. I like Plant as he’s slick n has the best feints in the game right now imo. Hot girlfriend too in Jordan Hardy, the host of PBC.

Like to see Caleb develop a mean streak and press his leads, top notch skills to build on though.Fair to say Morrison was much more 'great white hype' than all 4 in thread title? Only one I'd come close to thinking a 'club fighter-over achiever' may be Paz. Rest were well rounded. speaking of Paz apparently he went ballistic and beat the ever loving crap out of some guy on New Years http://wpri.com/2018/01/03/wanted-fo...ns-himself-in/

#Metoo and I think Plant will against Medina, who really brings it. Paz had real talent and world class heart. Legendary heart. Much better than an overachieving club fighter I feel.Morrison was very good in his prime and hit extremely hard with that left hook. Razor and Foreman are quality wins. Better than anyone Wilder has defeated n better than everyone Joshua has beaten save Klitschko.Saw that about Paz beating up his friend for stealing from him. He’s a fiery guy lol

Agreed on heart, one thing you could never question about Pazienza. The guy was as determined and passionate as they come.

Morrison was one that I've reversed on over time. When he was coming up I think it was the incessant push and hype that turned me off. Arum and Cayton definitely played him up being a white dude with an actual shot at heavyweight success. Hype to the point of Stallone casting for Rocky and espn filming his 20th fight, the phony name ring attire and Sly 'working' the corner for future film footage. Regardless of early over hype Morrison very much proved his heart and punch later on. He also imo never gets credit for changing up and fighting smart vs Foreman, solid boxing learned over time. Loved the war with Joe Hipp too. One with a broken jaw and busted hand, the other with a shattered cheekbone and a face turned to raw hamburger. Awesome fight.

Great post and good reference using the Hipp fight. I also thought Tommy looked ok in the Razor Ruddock fight, although I do recognize that Ruddock was well past his prime. I think Tommy's biggest issue was managing stress and sel confidence. I don't feel that he became exhausted due to a lack of conditioning or training, I think it was due to nerves/stress and lack of pacing. I don't think I appreciated the heavyweights of the nineties as much as I should have during that time.

They were great times but when a top athlete has a weakness it is mainly due to that coming out and them simply not being good enough at the very highest level.