Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

[Primo Carnera]

Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.

Whether or not you think Wilder isn’t as good as some other HWs, almost all boxing fans want the AJ vs Wilder match. That’s the match everyone wants. AJ isn’t a big star because he is so great but because he is a good HW from the UK that has the potential to unify the titles.

When Floyd was earning a billion times more than his opponents he gave them what they were worth, they all got career high paydays but nobody got close to what Floyd took as he was the draw. Guys like Victor Ortiz brought a WBC title and top Ring rating yet didn't demand half of the $40 million pot, he took his couple of million dollars that he was worth.

So saying AJ should give Wilder half of his money is silly, yet AJ is the "ducker." Ridiculous.

Wilder is just another opponent for AJ, should he win the next man in line will become the fans/media favourite to dethrone him. AJ is a long way from being crowned an ATG yet. Long way.

The difference is that Mayweather was at a whole other level as most of his opponents. Pacquiao was the only fighter that was truly demanded that he fight so Pacquiao was able to get a good chunk of the money because the people demanded the fight. AJ can take most of the money with any other HW because no other fight besides Wilder is that interesting. So for that reason, Wilder can demand more.

The way boxing is today, it's not about being on a whole nother level. like Fenster said, it's about who is the draw. I'm not condoning it, but that's how it is. Wilder could make more money getting 40% against Joshua than he has made for ALL his combined career purses put together.
If Wilder doesn't want that, Then Joshua's team can make many other fights that make him £20,30 or 40 Mill. Financially he doesn't need Wilder, but Wilder sure as fuck needs Joshua.
The other thing is , If Wilder thinks he's worth 50/50 , and if he wants it in the states , no problem. all his team need to do is put together a better package for everyone than team Joshua is putting together.
This is Boxing business, and the reason it is allowed to happen is because the governing bodies have basically sold the sport to the promoters and TV companies.
The governing bodies ain't worth shit unfortunately.

[Fenster]

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

[powerpuncher]

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

[Primo Carnera]

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
simples!

[smashup]

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
simples!

[powerpuncher]

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
simples!

Wilder or AJ haven’t earned the right to fight each other. They are just the two perceived best in the division. They should be expected to fight each other. To say that Wilder has to fight someone else to earn a fight with AJ is laughable.

I’ve said it multiple times that I don’t mind if Wilder fights Whyte. It’s probably his next best option after AJ. The problem is that why would Wilder want to settle for fighting Whyte if he could fight AJ? If AJ is completely off the table then I would call it a duck if Wilder refuses to fight Whyte. I have no problem with that.

My main point is that AJ hasn’t really done significantly much more than Wilder to be the A side other than having UK fans behind him. As I’ve stated before, it’s like claiming that Canelo should be able to dictate everything because he is the draw and not because he is better. In a business sense I understand but it’s an easy thing to hide behind

[Batman]

Money makes the world go round, simple as that.

[Beanz]

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
simples!

Wilder or AJ haven’t earned the right to fight each other. They are just the two perceived best in the division. They should be expected to fight each other. To say that Wilder has to fight someone else to earn a fight with AJ is laughable.

I’ve said it multiple times that I don’t mind if Wilder fights Whyte. It’s probably his next best option after AJ. The problem is that why would Wilder want to settle for fighting Whyte if he could fight AJ? If AJ is completely off the table then I would call it a duck if Wilder refuses to fight Whyte. I have no problem with that.

My main point is that AJ hasn’t really done significantly much more than Wilder to be the A side other than having UK fans behind him. As I’ve stated before, it’s like claiming that Canelo should be able to dictate everything because he is the draw and not because he is better. In a business sense I understand but it’s an easy thing to hide behind

Is beating the most dominant heavyweight champion of the previous 10 years is no better than beating Ortiz for you? You can say that Fury had already beaten Wlad, but Fury, astonishing as it may seem, outboxed and outpsyched Wlad. Joshua outfought him.

[powerpuncher]

I don’t think that beating Wlad was that much more significant that he becomes the obvious A side fighter. Already got easily beaten by Fury and hadn’t fought in over a year. It was still a good win but I also never held Wlad in that high esteem.

If you think that version of Wlad was that good then we just have to agree to disagree.

[Fenster]

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

Demanding what you're not worth is considered a convenient "duck" too. This situation is precisely like your example of Loma-Garcia, Wilder is knowingly demanding an unrealistic cut, you think 50-50 is fair but Wilder knows it's not even serious, it's just publicity for fans and media. Loma-Garcia will split their pie judged on who brings the most monetary value to the table, simple as that. It could be 50-50 or 70-30 either way, regardless.

A-side/B-side is soley about money not ability/rankings.

Personally I couldn't care less what anyone makes or "deserves," be great if money didn't rule the sport, but it's the reality of the situation

[powerpuncher]

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

Demanding what you're not worth is considered a convenient "duck" too. This situation is precisely like your example of Loma-Garcia, Wilder is knowingly demanding an unrealistic cut, you think 50-50 is fair but Wilder knows it's not even serious, it's just publicity for fans and media. Loma-Garcia will split their pie judged on who brings the most monetary value to the table, simple as that. It could be 50-50 or 70-30 either way, regardless.

A-side/B-side is soley about money not ability/rankings.

Personally I couldn't care less what anyone makes or "deserves," be great if money didn't rule the sport, but it's the reality of the situation

I understand that money is the reality of the sport unfortunately. The question comes if Wilder fights and beats Whyte and beats someone else and beats someone else and every single person in the way and AJ is still the bigger draw because of the popularity of boxing in the UK compared to the states. AJ could then always use the money excuse as a valid excuse. Wilder could be known as the obvious best fighter in the division but Wilder is in the wrong if he wants 50/50 split.

I get that money runs the sport but I just can’t give free passes for the obvious best match up in a weight class because one fighter is from a country where boxing is popular and the other isn’t.

[Fenster]

If Billy Joe Saunders was matched with Canelo yet demanded 50% and the fight must happen in the UK everyone would rightly accuse of him of "ducking" for being unrealistic. Saunders is a popular UK fighter but not as popular as Canelo Stateside, so would obviously be the B-side.

Or imagine two Americans were matched like Deontay with Big Baby Miller, he'd be the A-side, get the lions share and call the shots. The only relevance of AJ being British is the fight simply makes more sense here from a money perspective.

Wilder is the A-side against Whyte even if the fight takes place in London, that's why he was offered $4 million, Whyte will get less than half that not more. However, the fight generates more money in London.

Again, Wilder has already turned down two offers to face Joshua and never once publicly made him one, he's quite simply demanded what Joshua must give whilst pretending he's being ducked. Joshua says in the interview above they will make Deontay yet another offer and has already agreed that in the event of a rematch he will gladly take Wilders stipulations.

My only point is about the "ducking" bit - I have no doubt whatsoever they will agree terms eventually, I don't think Wilder is "ducking" him, he's quite simply going to wrangle every penny possible before risking his 0, that's why he wants to swerve Whyte.

[Spicoli]

Bring more to the table stop yelling like a loon and be thankful for the huge meal before you. Wilder needs that on a t shirt. Fact is that AJ has flattened a *cough great champion, already flattened a guy in official eliminator fight next out, flattened Wilders now mandatory challenger, and has stage to unify straps in his next fight...in his backyard. Wilder is Wilder and as far as U.S options that match up with Joshua back home it's slim pickings. Anyone pacing the floor for a Wilder v Jennings showdown, maybe Breazeale-Pulev winner in some bingo hall back in Alabama. He needs to take momentum off of battle and good win with flapjacks Ortiz and sit in that front row seat next week. Call AJ a wanker to his face or something.

[TitoFan]

If Billy Joe Saunders was matched with Canelo yet demanded 50% and the fight must happen in the UK everyone would rightly accuse of him of "ducking" for being unrealistic. Saunders is a popular UK fighter but not as popular as Canelo Stateside, so would obviously be the B-side.

Or imagine two Americans were matched like Deontay with Big Baby Miller, he'd be the A-side, get the lions share and call the shots. The only relevance of AJ being British is the fight simply makes more sense here from a money perspective.

Wilder is the A-side against Whyte even if the fight takes place in London, that's why he was offered $4 million, Whyte will get less than half that not more. However, the fight generates more money in London.

Again, Wilder has already turned down two offers to face Joshua and never once publicly made him one, he's quite simply demanded what Joshua must give whilst pretending he's being ducked. Joshua says in the interview above they will make Deontay yet another offer and has already agreed that in the event of a rematch he will gladly take Wilders stipulations.

My only point is about the "ducking" bit - I have no doubt whatsoever they will agree terms eventually, I don't think Wilder is "ducking" him, he's quite simply going to wrangle every penny possible before risking his 0, that's why he wants to swerve Whyte.

Canelo's an anomaly in that his legions of fans would break PPV records if Canelo were to fight an engorged Chocolatito for the "middleweight title". Canelo won a vacant MW belt against Cotto, in a fight where neither were legitimate MW's. He had the unmitigated gall to defend against Amir Khan, then shortly thereafter made a mockery of weight divisions when he fought JCC Jr. at 170. Now he looks like a Ginger Hulk on steroids as he prepares for the GGG rematch, and his fans STILL love him. The Pied Piper should ask for Canelo's autograph.

As such, any comparison between Canelo-BJS and Joshua-Wilder is a bit unrealistic. The latter are both real, deserving, legitimate heavyweight champions.... the glamour division in boxing. As I said before, the fact that Joshua is more popular in the UK than Wilder is in the U.S. should not be taken as a reflection of their records, quality of opponents, or fighting prowess. The British are understandably excited about having a legitimate HW world champion after all these years, and after Fury's comical flameout after that nauseating win over Wlad. Plus, the British tend to be more supportive of their fighters in general. Wilder, on the other hand, is coming along slower in the fan support department, for whatever reason. But he's just as legit. AJ's one win that stands out over Wilder's wins is Wlad. Other than that, they can go tit for tat.

So basically Wilder is more justified in demanding more equal terms than BJS would be in demanding against Canelo. Mind you I didn't say "deserving". I said "justified", as in money-wise. If it was based on "deserving", Canelo wouldn't be anywhere within sniffing distance of a MW belt, much less own one.