The Wilder Excuses Begin

[brocktonblockbust]

Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.

Where are you getting this $100m number from?

Maybe it's accurate, maybe it isn't. Good reason to negotiate percentages instead of dollar figures.

damn Im all over your ass lately estoy bromiando tu sabes

[Fenster]

By that rationale - If Wilder wanted to prove he's the best he'd take the $12.5 million (5 x his biggest purse), by the mans own admission he has plenty of money already, businesses, homes, and ya'll should stop worrying about how much money he got. He doing just fine, baby.

He - like his fans - sure is concerned about how much Joshua makes for someone desperate to make the fight.

I think you are confused about people being Wilder fans and people thinking that he deserves a bigger cut. Two different things.

They're saying the same thing.

Everyone, apart from Wilder fans, and, "he deserves a bigger cut, Joshua is ducking him" fans are happy to see the fight regardless of how many millions these already filthy rich millionaires make.

Does that cover everyone?

[Memphis]

Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.

Where are you getting this $100m number from?

Maybe it's accurate, maybe it isn't. Good reason to negotiate percentages instead of dollar figures.

I don't have a problem with that, that's Wilder's decision to make.

What I'm struggling with is the premise that $12.5m represents a derisory offer that's closer to 20% than it is 40%.

I spoke to a Kiwi guy I used to work with yesterday about this and he was in the 'Wilder isn't getting paid enough' camp. His basis, Parker got 13 million, Wilder should get more. Fuck off did Parker get 13 million I say. Yeah.....yeah......13 million New Zealand Dollars!!

Now I'm not suggesting anyone here is that stupid, but it does highlight the point that numbers are being thrown about with little care or thought.

There seems to be this idea that the fight is worth vastly more than it actually is and no one wants to say where that money is coming from. Master will but he just makes up nonsense.

[Primo Carnera]

Looks like AJ has been reading my posts. “If Team Wilder think it’s a $100million fight, MAKE A COUNTER OFFER!”

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-t...morrow--127099

[Master]

Wilder should carry on defending his title and just continue to make noise to irritate AJ and Eddie.

Eventually everyone will pressurise AJ to accept the fight and pay Wilder more than they really want.

AJ will get bored of mandatories and poor defences no matter how sky sells it.

[Memphis]

Wilder should carry on defending his title and just continue to make noise to irritate AJ and Eddie.

Eventually everyone will pressurise AJ to accept the fight and pay Wilder more than they really want.

AJ will get bored of mandatories and poor defences no matter how sky sells it.

Dude seriously you cant be saying this shit with a straight face, tell me you're on a massive wind up?

[Master]

Wilder should carry on defending his title and just continue to make noise to irritate AJ and Eddie.

Eventually everyone will pressurise AJ to accept the fight and pay Wilder more than they really want.

AJ will get bored of mandatories and poor defences no matter how sky sells it.

Dude seriously you cant be saying this shit with a straight face, tell me you're on a massive wind up?

I am very serious. It is high stakes poker.

[Primo Carnera]

Wilder should carry on defending his title and just continue to make noise to irritate AJ and Eddie.

Eventually everyone will pressurise AJ to accept the fight and pay Wilder more than they really want.

AJ will get bored of mandatories and poor defences no matter how sky sells it.

Dude seriously you cant be saying this shit with a straight face, tell me you're on a massive wind up?

I am very serious. It is high stakes poker.

And you know about high stakes poker now, like you do about assessing the value of a fight.

[Batman]

The thing that is annoying me is that both camps are discussing it differently, AJ is offering a money up front deal Wilder is requesting a % split.

We can only speculate on how much the fight will make so when we are talking in percentages it is sheer guess work.

why doesnt Eddie say we are offering £12m which we believe is equal to a 25% split"

Why doesn't Wilder say "we will accept a 40/60 split which we believe is equal to £30m"

I know that as fans we have no right to concern themselves with the financials during negotiations but it would be interesting to see just how far apart they both actually are.

[Primo Carnera]

So Shelly is reported as saying “Team Wilder are gonna make a counter offer in the next couple of days!”
I cannot fucking wait! Only it won’t be an offer, will it?
What it’ll be is “GIVE US X AMOUNT” or WE’LL TAKE X %”
That is not an offer, that is saying “you give us”.
An offer is “We’ll give you” .
Be prepared for a lot more shit talk from all parties.

[TitoFan]

Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.

Where are you getting this $100m number from?

Maybe it's accurate, maybe it isn't. Good reason to negotiate percentages instead of dollar figures.

I don't have a problem with that, that's Wilder's decision to make.

What I'm struggling with is the premise that $12.5m represents a derisory offer that's closer to 20% than it is 40%.

I spoke to a Kiwi guy I used to work with yesterday about this and he was in the 'Wilder isn't getting paid enough' camp. His basis, Parker got 13 million, Wilder should get more. Fuck off did Parker get 13 million I say. Yeah.....yeah......13 million New Zealand Dollars!!

Now I'm not suggesting anyone here is that stupid, but it does highlight the point that numbers are being thrown about with little care or thought.

There seems to be this idea that the fight is worth vastly more than it actually is and no one wants to say where that money is coming from. Master will but he just makes up nonsense.

Frankly I don't know many of us can predict accurately how much that fight is finally going to be worth. It is, after all, a mega-heavyweight-world-title unification bout between the champions from the U.S. and the U.K. It has mega bucks written all over it. You might say it's being over estimated..... but who's to say you're not wrong? What it boils down to is, Wilder would be taking an unnecessary chance to be paid A LOT LESS than Joshua if he accepts the $12.5 million..... and that would go over like a glass of castor oil after a good meal. Hearn is a veteran businessman, and should know better than to throw a flat dollar figure, instead of the normal split. He's obviously hoping it turns out to be a measly percentage of the eventual earnings.

The thing that is annoying me is that both camps are discussing it differently, AJ is offering a money up front deal Wilder is requesting a % split.

We can only speculate on how much the fight will make so when we are talking in percentages it is sheer guess work.

why doesnt Eddie say we are offering £12m which we believe is equal to a 25% split"

Why doesn't Wilder say "we will accept a 40/60 split which we believe is equal to £30m"

I know that as fans we have no right to concern themselves with the financials during negotiations but it would be interesting to see just how far apart they both actually are.

Same thing I said, only different.

Maybe it's accurate, maybe it isn't. Good reason to negotiate percentages instead of dollar figures.

So Shelly is reported as saying “Team Wilder are gonna make a counter offer in the next couple of days!”
I cannot fucking wait! Only it won’t be an offer, will it?
What it’ll be is “GIVE US X AMOUNT” or WE’LL TAKE X %”
That is not an offer, that is saying “you give us”.
An offer is “We’ll give you” .
Be prepared for a lot more shit talk from all parties.

Seriously? We're going to get into semantics now? They should be haggling over the splits, regardless of who gives what to whom.

[Primo Carnera]

Mate, if you think it’s semantics and unimportant, you are either seriously missing the point or deliberately choosing to.
The wording used was deliberately chosen to give people a false reading of the situation.
We all know what it means.
Obviously we want the fight done, and it probably will be, but there will be a lot of bullshit along the way!

[Memphis]

Yes my gut feel is that certain parties are over valuing this fight

I've never suggested that anyone should have the numbers down to the last bean. Only apply a bit of common sense, a bit of basic maths, precedent and from there answer the question where does the rest of the money come from.

Using the Klitschko fight as a template. It reportedly made 40-50 million quid. It has to have been closer to 50, so $70 million US. That money was chiefly made up of UK TV money. Allegedly 1.5 million PPV view buys at £20 = £30 million. Gate money was reportedly around £9 million. RTL TV £4 million, US TV £2 million. Rest of the World TV and merchandise £5 million.

You're quite right in that none of us know the exact numbers, but we can see that they are in the ballpark. The 1.5m PPV buys in the UK was a number Eddie Hearn mentioned, they (SKY/Matchroom) don't generally release them. He's no way going to under cook those numbers so it's either accurate, or he's adding a bit on top in which case the pot was actually less.

As far as I can see certain elements have a ceiling. Wembley, Cardiff, can't get any fuller. They've maxed out that revenue stream. 'Rest of the World TV and merchandise' Are Norway going to pull an extra bundle of cash out their ass pocket because it's Deontay Wilder? I don't think so. Is someone going to pay an obscene amount of dough for the rights to sell a T-Shirt with a windmill attached to the front?

I've got no problem with anyone suggesting that AJ Wilder does better than AJ Klitschko. I'd have my doubts of course....

As I've said already, the problem I have with this $100m number is that not only does it suggest AJ Wilder is bigger than AJ Klitschko, the biggest fight in UK boxing history, but it suggests that it absolutely blows it out of the water. I just don't see it.

[Beanz]

Yes my gut feel is that certain parties are over valuing this fight

I've never suggested that anyone should have the numbers down to the last bean. Only apply a bit of common sense, a bit of basic maths, precedent and from there answer the question where does the rest of the money come from.

Using the Klitschko fight as a template. It reportedly made 40-50 million quid. It has to have been closer to 50, so $70 million US. That money was chiefly made up of UK TV money. Allegedly 1.5 million PPV view buys at £20 = £30 million. Gate money was reportedly around £9 million. RTL TV £4 million, US TV £2 million. Rest of the World TV and merchandise £5 million.

You're quite right in that none of us know the exact numbers, but we can see that they are in the ballpark. The 1.5m PPV buys in the UK was a number Eddie Hearn mentioned, they (SKY/Matchroom) don't generally release them. He's no way going to under cook those numbers so it's either accurate, or he's adding a bit on top in which case the pot was actually less.

As far as I can see certain elements have a ceiling. Wembley, Cardiff, can't get any fuller. They've maxed out that revenue stream. 'Rest of the World TV and merchandise' Are Norway going to pull an extra bundle of cash out their ass pocket because it's Deontay Wilder? I don't think so. Is someone going to pay an obscene amount of dough for the rights to sell a T-Shirt with a windmill attached to the front?

I've got no problem with anyone suggesting that AJ Wilder does better than AJ Klitschko. I'd have my doubts of course....

As I've said already, the problem I have with this $100m number is that not only does it suggest AJ Wilder is bigger than AJ Klitschko, the biggest fight in UK boxing history, but it suggests that it absolutely blows it out of the water. I just don't see it.

I would have thought Klitschko had a bigger following then Wilder.

[Master]

Wilder will bring huge US TV ppv money compared to Wlad.

Now give him 40%.