The Wilder Excuses Begin

[Beanz]

Basically Wilders consortium claim that Al Haymon can guarantee the money side of things and that it'll be in Vegas.

VERY Clever move and they've called Joshuas bluff big time here, problem is that AJ is under a strict and unbreakable contract to honour his tv rights.

If that hurdle can be overcome and everything coming out of the USA is infact true then AJ has to take this offer or he's gonna look like he's the one dodging Wilder.


Wilders Instagram video to AJ
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAcB1SH...y=bronzebomber

God Wilder sounds like a retard. I don't think they have the money at all, it's just a way of avoiding meeting up with Hearn and being held to a real deal. If it happens then great but the lack of a rematch clause etc sets alarm bells ringing. Something not right there. Why would they throw away the chance of a lucrative rematch? Why did they say nothing for like two weeks?

[Master]

Basically Wilders consortium claim that Al Haymon can guarantee the money side of things and that it'll be in Vegas.

VERY Clever move and they've called Joshuas bluff big time here, problem is that AJ is under a strict and unbreakable contract to honour his tv rights.

If that hurdle can be overcome and everything coming out of the USA is infact true then AJ has to take this offer or he's gonna look like he's the one dodging Wilder.


Wilders Instagram video to AJ
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAcB1SH...y=bronzebomber

God Wilder sounds like a retard. I don't think they have the money at all, it's just a way of avoiding meeting up with Hearn and being held to a real deal. If it happens then great but the lack of a rematch clause etc sets alarm bells ringing. Something not right there. Why would they throw away the chance of a lucrative rematch? Why did they say nothing for like two weeks?

They were trying to raise the money, think Titofan helped.

[smashup]

This is what i can't understand about Wilders team claiming the money is all set and in place.......

This fight (In Vegas) generates money mostly by TV revenue and ticket sales...

Wilder can't even sell out the Barclays centre and against Ortiz pulled in just over 14,000

Wilder isn't (yet) Box Office and he's with Showtime and like fuck are they fronting up the cash for this

Joshua is not box office (yet) in the USA

So basically who in the USA is actually fronting all this money?

I'd like it to be true because i want to see AJ v Wilder next while both are in their prime but i just cannot see where the $$$$ is coming from?

[powerpuncher]

I feel like I need to wait until it is all said and done to really comment. The offer from Wilder sounds great but we don’t know all the specifics and if it’s just a smokescreen. Once they meet together on Friday, I hope we have more details that we can see if one side really is ducking the other.

[Memphis]

On the face of it, Joshua must accept the offer, in principle at least. You could argue that he already has with his lets roll comment, how formal does it need to be? I for one wanted them to come back with an actual counter offer rather than a request for more money. They on the face of it at least have done that. The toss can be argued over all manner of nonsense but the fact remains, Joshua said give me $50 million, they've said OK.

The numbers side of things are still a mystery to me. Wilder's mob started peddling the $100 million dollar fight line but if they plan on genuinely giving AJ $50 million, they'll need a hell of a lot more than that. I've accused the $100 million club of wanting all of the money from all of the revenue sources from both sides of the pond all at the same time. If Wilder, or anyone else for that matter is considering getting paid, they'll need all that dough and then some.

[Primo Carnera]

If it comes off, I quite like the fact that there’s no rematch clause stipulation. Whoever wins holds ALL THE BELTS! There’s gonna be a lot of mandatories and these other fighters have patiently waited in line.
There should only ever be a rematch if the first fight was either shrouded in controversy or was too close to call.

[Primo Carnera]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

[Master]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

Eddie would be upset if Wilder gets that much.

[Primo Carnera]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

Eddie would be upset if Wilder gets that much.

If Wilder’s team are stumping up the cash to put the show on , then it is absolutely fuck all to do with Eddie what Wilder gets.
No different to if it was the other way round. His man gave a figure and Wilder reckons they can come up with that, and that’s all they need to know.
Have to say , I’ll believe it when I see it.

[TitoFan]

On the face of it, Joshua must accept the offer, in principle at least. You could argue that he already has with his lets roll comment, how formal does it need to be? I for one wanted them to come back with an actual counter offer rather than a request for more money. They on the face of it at least have done that. The toss can be argued over all manner of nonsense but the fact remains, Joshua said give me $50 million, they've said OK.

The numbers side of things are still a mystery to me. Wilder's mob started peddling the $100 million dollar fight line but if they plan on genuinely giving AJ $50 million, they'll need a hell of a lot more than that. I've accused the $100 million club of wanting all of the money from all of the revenue sources from both sides of the pond all at the same time. If Wilder, or anyone else for that matter is considering getting paid, they'll need all that dough and then some.

A rarity here....... someone who says "Ok I wanted to see "X" happen and it did, so I've recalibrated my opinion." Why is that so hard for people in general?

So here we are, with Wilder's team having made that very much wanted counter offer.

One thing puzzles me and I don't necessarily agree with. You say if they plan on paying Joshua $50 million, they'll need to have the fight make "a hell of a lot more than" the famous $100 million figure. How so? Unless third parties or the IRS are going to take an outsized bite out of Wilder's take, he stands to make a hell of a lot more than the paltry $12.5 million Hearn first threw at him. Again, I'm not pushing the $100 million narrative, but if it does make that much and Joshua gets $50 million, how is that not good for Wilder?

[Memphis]

On the face of it, Joshua must accept the offer, in principle at least. You could argue that he already has with his lets roll comment, how formal does it need to be? I for one wanted them to come back with an actual counter offer rather than a request for more money. They on the face of it at least have done that. The toss can be argued over all manner of nonsense but the fact remains, Joshua said give me $50 million, they've said OK.

The numbers side of things are still a mystery to me. Wilder's mob started peddling the $100 million dollar fight line but if they plan on genuinely giving AJ $50 million, they'll need a hell of a lot more than that. I've accused the $100 million club of wanting all of the money from all of the revenue sources from both sides of the pond all at the same time. If Wilder, or anyone else for that matter is considering getting paid, they'll need all that dough and then some.

A rarity here....... someone who says "Ok I wanted to see "X" happen and it did, so I've recalibrated my opinion." Why is that so hard for people in general?

So here we are, with Wilder's team having made that very much wanted counter offer.

One thing puzzles me and I don't necessarily agree with. You say if they plan on paying Joshua $50 million, they'll need to have the fight make "a hell of a lot more than" the famous $100 million figure. How so? Unless third parties or the IRS are going to take an outsized bite out of Wilder's take, he stands to make a hell of a lot more than the paltry $12.5 million Hearn first threw at him. Again, I'm not pushing the $100 million narrative, but if it does make that much and Joshua gets $50 million, how is that not good for Wilder?

I think we need to be clear about how we're defining 'The Pot' or how much money the fight makes. When I say $100 million, I mean gross, total revenue. I'm struggling to understand where $100 million gross comes from. If we're talking $100 million left in the pot for AJ and Wilder to share, then I'm really struggling.

If we take Ron's suggestion that the fight does 1 million PPV buys in the US, that's 50 million, which again as Ron pointed out, Showtime will take 50% of. So the biggest single source of income is now worth 25 million. You've now got to double your biggest single source of income to make enough money just to pay Joshua what you promised. No one else is getting paid any money yet.

[Beanz]

Hearn has contacted them asking them to provide paperwork



http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/...nd-will-happen

[Ron Swanson]

Hearn has contacted them asking them to provide paperwork



http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/...nd-will-happen

Basically he said no. "There are other offers, other terms to explore" then he asks for a contract when before he admitted a contract can't be made without the teams working together to work out the details. Eddie is maKing it quite clear from his carp offer to Wilder to "other terms to explore" that he "can get rich for no risk" and doesn't want risk.

Just agree and hammer out the details.

[Ron Swanson]

On the face of it, Joshua must accept the offer, in principle at least. You could argue that he already has with his lets roll comment, how formal does it need to be? I for one wanted them to come back with an actual counter offer rather than a request for more money. They on the face of it at least have done that. The toss can be argued over all manner of nonsense but the fact remains, Joshua said give me $50 million, they've said OK.

The numbers side of things are still a mystery to me. Wilder's mob started peddling the $100 million dollar fight line but if they plan on genuinely giving AJ $50 million, they'll need a hell of a lot more than that. I've accused the $100 million club of wanting all of the money from all of the revenue sources from both sides of the pond all at the same time. If Wilder, or anyone else for that matter is considering getting paid, they'll need all that dough and then some.

A rarity here....... someone who says "Ok I wanted to see "X" happen and it did, so I've recalibrated my opinion." Why is that so hard for people in general?

So here we are, with Wilder's team having made that very much wanted counter offer.

One thing puzzles me and I don't necessarily agree with. You say if they plan on paying Joshua $50 million, they'll need to have the fight make "a hell of a lot more than" the famous $100 million figure. How so? Unless third parties or the IRS are going to take an outsized bite out of Wilder's take, he stands to make a hell of a lot more than the paltry $12.5 million Hearn first threw at him. Again, I'm not pushing the $100 million narrative, but if it does make that much and Joshua gets $50 million, how is that not good for Wilder?

I think we need to be clear about how we're defining 'The Pot' or how much money the fight makes. When I say $100 million, I mean gross, total revenue. I'm struggling to understand where $100 million gross comes from. If we're talking $100 million left in the pot for AJ and Wilder to share, then I'm really struggling.

If we take Ron's suggestion that the fight does 1 million PPV buys in the US, that's 50 million, which again as Ron pointed out, Showtime will take 50% of. So the biggest single source of income is now worth 25 million. You've now got to double your biggest single source of income to make enough money just to pay Joshua what you promised. No one else is getting paid any money yet.

Fight won't be 50$. It will be 74.95 at least.

[brocktonblockbust]

Joshua and Haymon have their thumbs up their buttholes and are scared to agree to fight