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What bigotry, Tito? As long as you can support what you are saying then I struggle to understand the meanings of terms like racist or misogynist etc. If you disagree then cite why you disagree, but I hate it when people counter an argument with 'misogynist' as a) they have no counter argument and b) nust want to shut you down. This is where Beanz is such a conformist and stereotype. Does it all the time and in every thread. At least Molyneux can make a case and you can disagree all you like as long as you have the information to counter with. For instance there is a lot of information about the harmful effects of single parenting. Yet typically the only counter you get is 'You don't like women....misogynist'. It is asinine.


Miles, any time you start to generalize human flaws/ superiority based on race or ethnicity, you've already started off on the wrong foot. It doesn't matter how prettily you dress it up with (cough) "statistics" or (hack) "science"..... it's always wrong. It's bigots' and sexists' way of rationalizing their inherent feelings of superiority and separation. It ignores individuality, and the fact that if you go back far enough, we all come from the same origins. Now I'll remind you that earlier I posted that I'm not "branding everything he has to say as wrong", so going off that, his views of single mothers are not entirely wrong. It's not rocket science to say that children generally do better with both a mother and a father. This is not news to me, or to billions of people around the world. There are exceptions, of course, and he probably should mention that once in awhile. 'Cause when he doesn't, he then comes across as what you're saying... a misogynist. It's all in how you choose to deliver your message.
Look Tito, the local population here has an IQ higher than that of my own country. This is just a fact. There might be different arguments surrounding how and why, but it is a fact and I don't really consider it off on the wrong foot or anything like that. Look at the top 10 highest IQ countries and you see a pattern and it is what it is. You can watch the presentation on single mothers and then do your own research, it is generally accepted, though not absolute to any degree of course, that children raised with one parent will have life a lot harder than life raised in a two parent household. I really cannot be bothered with cries or racism or misogyny when it comes to such things. I am not offended by it in the slightest and I say that as someone from a country that is middling around 100 for IQ and has an epidemic of single motherhood. I don't understand the need to be upset by it. I find it much more constructive to just accept the reality and then ask 'What can we do to improve things?' and when you suggest people should have less casual sex and consider their partners very carefully you are still painted as being a very naughty boy. It is very twisted how Beanz goes about things in that regard.

It is good to see that you know how to have a conversation and we can agree on some things and disagree on others and that's all fair enough.