Who was better, Lewis or Wlad?

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Fury could never have outboxed Vitali in the same way as Wlad.

Wlad was a great champion but missed the spite..that missing spite would have continued the attack on AJ after the knockdown.

Lews beats all types of Wlad and stopped the best Vitali in his last fight..it’s that simple.

[El Kabong]

Fury could never have outboxed Vitali in the same way as Wlad.

Wlad was a great champion but missed the spite..that missing spite would have continued the attack on AJ after the knockdown.

Lews beats all types of Wlad and stopped the best Vitali in his last fight..it’s that simple.

Well if you've gassed out trying to KO a couple guys before then you're more apt to play cautious and that's the 1 time it hurt him.

I don't think Wlad was in the fighting mindset vs Fury at all, his focus was elsewhere...that said the dude kept his focus and beat any and all comers OVERWHELMINGLY for about a decade so he's certainly not this paper tiger that people like to make him out to be.


For the Lennox vs Vitali fight a lot of folks want to bring up that Lennox was prepared to fight Kirk Johnson and they act like Vitali was 110% prepared to face Lennox. #1 Vitali was always in tremendous shape for fights regardless of who he was fighting #2 BOTH fighters took the fight on short notice which to me adds more relevance to the calls for a rematch...what if they had both been prepared to fight each other...Vitali was to fight I think it was Cedric Boswell or some shit a fighter Lennox Lewis was head and shoulders better than even on his worst nights #3 I don't begrudge Lennox for retiring but let's not pretend we all don't know why he retired rather than take the rematch...he got out as champion that's why there was no rematch....the money was more than right, the fans wanted it, boxing pundits wanted it, it's THE missed fight of the 2000's.....would the result have been different? WE WILL NEVER KNOW and that's just how it is, Lewis supporters will say "Hey he already beat him".....meh it was 4-2 on all judges' scorecards and had Vitali not been cut (which was partially his own fault for leaning away from Lewis' punches rather than blocking them. Lewis' thumb caught Vitali's eyelid which is a freak injury that I haven't seen happen before or since).


A lot of folks like to act like Wlad was champion during this hundred year drought of heavyweight talent and it's simply not the case. He was a great champion.

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Lennox for me, he beat better opposition and reversed any losses.

For the record Lewis knew Vitali wasn't going away and only getting stronger in that fight while Lennox was fading, few more rounds and Vitali would have knocked him out, just look at their body language when the fight was stopped, one was bouncing up and down wanting to carry on while the other one didn't wanna know anymore.

Shame we never got to see that rematch but i firmly believe Lennox simply didn't want it.

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Fury could never have outboxed Vitali in the same way as Wlad.

Wlad was a great champion but missed the spite..that missing spite would have continued the attack on AJ after the knockdown.

Lews beats all types of Wlad and stopped the best Vitali in his last fight..it’s that simple.

Well if you've gassed out trying to KO a couple guys before then you're more apt to play cautious and that's the 1 time it hurt him.

I don't think Wlad was in the fighting mindset vs Fury at all, his focus was elsewhere...that said the dude kept his focus and beat any and all comers OVERWHELMINGLY for about a decade so he's certainly not this paper tiger that people like to make him out to be.


For the Lennox vs Vitali fight a lot of folks want to bring up that Lennox was prepared to fight Kirk Johnson and they act like Vitali was 110% prepared to face Lennox. #1 Vitali was always in tremendous shape for fights regardless of who he was fighting #2 BOTH fighters took the fight on short notice which to me adds more relevance to the calls for a rematch...what if they had both been prepared to fight each other...Vitali was to fight I think it was Cedric Boswell or some shit a fighter Lennox Lewis was head and shoulders better than even on his worst nights #3 I don't begrudge Lennox for retiring but let's not pretend we all don't know why he retired rather than take the rematch...he got out as champion that's why there was no rematch....the money was more than right, the fans wanted it, boxing pundits wanted it, it's THE missed fight of the 2000's.....would the result have been different? WE WILL NEVER KNOW and that's just how it is, Lewis supporters will say "Hey he already beat him".....meh it was 4-2 on all judges' scorecards and had Vitali not been cut (which was partially his own fault for leaning away from Lewis' punches rather than blocking them. Lewis' thumb caught Vitali's eyelid which is a freak injury that I haven't seen happen before or since).


A lot of folks like to act like Wlad was champion during this hundred year drought of heavyweight talent and it's simply not the case. He was a great champion.

Your way to emotionally involved in Wlad..let it go.

Wlad could come back now at 40 plus and still throw a massive spanner m in the works for the top 3..but the fact remains he is still missing that spite that alot of the top heavyweights in the past had.

Wlad can compete in any era and deserves to be in the top 20 heavyweights of all time..but Wlad and his brother will always be behind Lewis..everyone knows that.

Lewis happily ducked the rematch but look what happened in the first fight..he won..and the corner had to stop Vitali as he was so badly cut/injured..we can’t rewrite history.

Do you think Fury would have schooled the late version of Lennox Lewis?..no way.

[El Kabong]

Your way to emotionally involved in Wlad..let it go.

Wlad could come back now at 40 plus and still throw a massive spanner m in the works for the top 3..but the fact remains he is still missing that spite that alot of the top heavyweights in the past had.

Wlad can compete in any era and deserves to be in the top 20 heavyweights of all time..but Wlad and his brother will always be behind Lewis..everyone knows that.

Lewis happily ducked the rematch but look what happened in the first fight..he won..and the corner had to stop Vitali as he was so badly cut/injured..we can’t rewrite history.

Do you think Fury would have schooled the late version of Lennox Lewis?..no way.

OK Wlad is missing spite....60+ wins 50+ stoppages, and no spite at all,

but Wlad and his brother will always be behind Lewis

Not in successful title defenses, not in title fights had, not in successful consecutive title defenses....Wlad leads those and by a wide margin.

the corner had to stop Vitali

The CORNER stopped nothing, the ringside DOCTOR stopped the fight, Vitali was still ready to go, Lennox was extremely relieved it was all over.


I have no idea how Lennox vs Fury would go and I would reckon you would only have a guess as well.

[Master]

Your way to emotionally involved in Wlad..let it go.

Wlad could come back now at 40 plus and still throw a massive spanner m in the works for the top 3..but the fact remains he is still missing that spite that alot of the top heavyweights in the past had.

Wlad can compete in any era and deserves to be in the top 20 heavyweights of all time..but Wlad and his brother will always be behind Lewis..everyone knows that.

Lewis happily ducked the rematch but look what happened in the first fight..he won..and the corner had to stop Vitali as he was so badly cut/injured..we can’t rewrite history.

Do you think Fury would have schooled the late version of Lennox Lewis?..no way.

OK Wlad is missing spite....60+ wins 50+ stoppages, and no spite at all,

but Wlad and his brother will always be behind Lewis

Not in successful title defenses, not in title fights had, not in successful consecutive title defenses....Wlad leads those and by a wide margin.

the corner had to stop Vitali

The CORNER stopped nothing, the ringside DOCTOR stopped the fight, Vitali was still ready to go, Lennox was extremely relieved it was all over.


I have no idea how Lennox vs Fury would go and I would reckon you would only have a guess as well.

Are you still on this?

Doctor stopped the fight because it was a horrible cut, Vitali may have been ready to go but was saved the injury getting worse. It could have ended his career if it carried on.

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Terrible ringside doctor..doing his job.

[El Kabong]

Are you still on this?

Doctor stopped the fight because it was a horrible cut, Vitali may have been ready to go but was saved the injury getting worse. It could have ended his career if it carried on.

Yes and I'll stay the fuck on it too @Master ....people call Vitali out for quitting "He quit, he quit, he's a quitter"......no quit in him that night, no quit in him other than the time he fought Chris Byrd and tore the absolute hell out of his rotator cuff meaning he couldn't throw a punch properly so he was fighting with 1 arm. I mean I guess he could have continued the way Holyfield did when he tore his rotator cuff but that ended Evander's career for the most part.

Yes the cut was horrible, nobody is complaining about the doctor @imp but it's a false statement to say either Vitali quit OR Vitali's corner stopped the fight....both of those are FALSE, UNTRUE.



But hey I guess if you want to say those things and not be corrected, then go right ahead because what actually happened apparently means very little to you.

[imp]

Vitali is not a quitter and never quit during that fight.

The decision was not in his hands like so many other decisions in the countless years of boxing.

Lewis won the fight because Vitalis face ended up getting that way during the fight.

If Lewis face was like that the ring doctor would have said the same.

This thread is nothing to do with Vitali..he lost to Lewis so let’s draw a line under that one.

Wlad is a great champion buy I think the majority agree that he would never beat Lewis..all fantasy stuff anyway.

Lewis avenged all his losses.

[Master]

Are you still on this?

Doctor stopped the fight because it was a horrible cut, Vitali may have been ready to go but was saved the injury getting worse. It could have ended his career if it carried on.

Yes and I'll stay the fuck on it too @Master ....people call Vitali out for quitting "He quit, he quit, he's a quitter"......no quit in him that night, no quit in him other than the time he fought Chris Byrd and tore the absolute hell out of his rotator cuff meaning he couldn't throw a punch properly so he was fighting with 1 arm. I mean I guess he could have continued the way Holyfield did when he tore his rotator cuff but that ended Evander's career for the most part.

Yes the cut was horrible, nobody is complaining about the doctor @imp but it's a false statement to say either Vitali quit OR Vitali's corner stopped the fight....both of those are FALSE, UNTRUE.



But hey I guess if you want to say those things and not be corrected, then go right ahead because what actually happened apparently means very little to you.

Vitali is definitely a tough man and good champion. If not for injuries he would have had as long a reign as Wlad.