Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech

**brocktonblockbust** · 06-26-2018 03:54 AM

Only that's not true at all.

The banner of free speech is not something ignominious that one hides behind. The Nazi salute is an act of raising one's arm in a certain position. Singing a Nazi song is an act annunciating certain syllables and vowels in a certain order. Wearing a swastika as I mentioned in another thread in fashion for thousands of years before Germany was even on the map.

As vile or despicable or heinous or in poor taste or insulting as someone's arm gestures or color choices or songs are,. They cannot be legally punished for it.

This is about legality. This is about legal punishment. As personally offencive as so many of your posts have been nobody has called for you to have a 5-year ban. Gandalf does not have to agree with me that mr. Herbert said something vile or not. The whole point is that the banner of free speech is indeed itself a legal and god-given right

You cannot legislate what is vile and what is beautiful. That is not being a troll that is pointing out a fundamental fact which appears to be disappearing very rapidly worldwide with very little protest.

If you want to be worried about fascism then that right there is what you should be worried about and not some guy in a bar supposedly sullying and tarnishing the flag of the United Kingdom FFS.

**Beanz** · 06-26-2018 04:02 AM

ENGLAND you fucking moron. Not the United Kingdom. Not America. ENGLAND. ENGLISH LAWS FOR ENGLISH CITIZENS. Not America. You know nothing about football violence or growing up around the ruins of German bombs or what it means to be English so your opinion means nothing. How fucking sad are you that you are so obsessed with a country you can't even begin to understand and certainly don't respect. Free speech is not a legal and most certainly not a god given right what a cowardly pile of utter bollocks to hide behind. Wanker.

**brocktonblockbust** · 06-26-2018 04:09 AM

So who would you trust then to take away that freedom of speech? Who would you trust then to curtail it? Do you not see the slippery slope or are you just trolling the entire forum. You and your gang might think that it is cute to curtail freedom of speech or that one cannot have an opinion even now it looks like based solely on the paltry and irrelevant fact that one in your opinion knows nothing of English History.

What bollocks

**brocktonblockbust** · 06-26-2018 04:13 AM

Because of politically oversensitive chaps like you we are now scrubbing the name of the author of Little House on the Prairie and things of that nature and removing statues from 1776, next you'll want to change the name from sauerkraut to white cabbage with a little bit of vinegar FFS.

**Beanz** · 06-26-2018 05:23 AM

Clueless. Fooball banning orders have been around since 1989. Just because you don't understand the concept of law or personal responsibility, and just because you do not respect the right of England to make and enforce laws that would put you behind bars you cunt, it does not make them invalid.

"stirring up hatred against a group of persons defined by reference to colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins, or against an individual as a member of such a group,"

That law is there for a reasonand I haveadded to many files without any feeling that i was impinging on anyone's free speech you whiny over sensitive twat, because it works. It means that if a firm or crew wants to have a tear up it happens away form the ground and everyone else can go and watch the game without getting into a punch up. It doesn't meant that banter or the right to rip the piss out of your opponents and rivals disappears. Calling someone a sheep shagger and sieg heling are not the same thing. Even singing 'No surrender to the IRA' is not the same thing. Doing Nazi Salutes in England and singing about gassing people deserves a smack in the mouth at least.

If you think you are the fucking big man fighting for freedom you pretend to be go, why don't you go down to White Hart Lane you arsehole and try fucking doing the same thing as those cunts you called heroes did there.

**Gandalf** · 06-26-2018 05:32 AM

I do happen to believe that freedom of speech is a god given human right actually. Not as in actual God and sure there might be rules and regulations in society, but even law must be broken sometimes. Nazi Germany is a case in point. Solzhenitsyn was not allowed to say what he did in the Communist system but fuck it, you say what you have to. Same with Socrates. The same with Burroughs and Naked Lunch. To hell with the law and free speech regulation when you are alive in the here and now and the clock is ticking. Say it now or never say anything at all.

**Gandalf** · 06-26-2018 05:34 AM

That is different to racist chants at games and things like that. Football is a game, it shouldn't be anything more than that. Socrates would not have been into football.

**Master** · 06-26-2018 05:35 AM