Acid attack facts

[Gandalf]

Broken families is only one aspect of course. I think it fair to say that kids today spend less time with their parents/parent than ever before. Even if the family isn't broken, you need two incomes to stay ahead and especially in London and that means kids are send to daycare, they are left at home on their own, they are neglected. Then when families break up they are abandoned. Then when they are left with a mother on welfare the mother is all too often mentally unwell and ill equipped to be a mother and if she is working then she will barely have time for the kid anyway. Either way it leads to maladjustment. Now many of course are doing the best they can and in difficult circumstances, but many are not and have lived their lives without setting a good example to their kids. It leads to societal breakdown. More police is not going to stop angry young people from throwing acid at people. More police is not going to stop mentally ill people from acting up and joining gangs. More police is not going to stop people choosing poor partners who won't stick around and be a Dad. This is very unfortunate, but it starts by choosing a good partner and raising your child properly so that he is not angry, alienated, and lacking in empathy. Some of it might be genetic meaning a defective parent, but the rest is societal and that means kids need good parental role models. They don't really have that a lot of the time. You certainly see this in the black community in the US and unfortunately the UK has the same issues when it comes to strong black families. Kids play up without a stable family structure. Kids can play up with one too, but it is more likely when it is lacking.

[Beanz]

Change the record Miles. The dark shadow of Eugenics looms large over your post. You think you are being intellectually brave, going where others dare not, whilst in reality you are just repeating the mad rantings of a sociopath. Your posting gives the impression that you have had an empathy bypass yourself.

You don't seem to be able to shake the baggage of your own deeply ingrained prejudice and fear of immigrants, black people and the disabled. It taints everything you post so you are not starting from a point of open mindedness at all. No wonder you come to the same conclusions.

It is why despite the overwhelming majority of acid attacks being carried out by British born people you insisted on blaming it on immigrants. Maybe you see all black Brits as migrants, who knows, most of your posting is borderline NF so it would surprise nobody.

Everything for you is the fault of 'the left' or immigration. It is why nobody can take you seriously here.

[Beanz]

'Some of it might be genetic meaning a defective parent'.... Care to explain this nugget?

[Beanz]

And this proves their is no reason or objectivity in your post at all. Nobody can win. All parents will fail their kids, whatever they do. The most revealing bit is how whatever happens its always the mothers fault. I think therapy for most people is not very helpful but you might want to think about it.

'need two incomes to stay ahead and especially in London and that means kids are send to daycare, they are left at home on their own, they are neglected. Then when families break up they are abandoned. Then when they are left with a mother on welfare the mother is all too often mentally unwell and ill equipped to be a mother and if she is working then she will barely have time for the kid anyway'

[Gandalf]

Oh dear. That is a rather unfortunate post, Beanz. I don't think you have read anything I said and you certainly made up a number of things there. Your post does not warrant a response. Eugenics? Utterly bizarre. Your own posting funnily enough fits exactly with the theme of a book I am reading. Like Walrus always says you never notice it. If you did you might be more self aware than you are, but you clearly aren't.

[Gandalf]

Okay, one response to that post as you asked nicely. I am saying that mental illness is a mixture of nature and nurture. There is a mental health epidemic. I will keep it as simple as that. Traits get passed down generically and they then frequently get passed on environmentally. Either way you end up with generational complications. The problem grows rather than diminishes. I am reading a fascinating book about it. It extrapolates well to describe serious mental health problems we have in society. 50% of all substance abusers have an underlying mental health condition. How many people abuse alcohol or drugs. It's a lot of people. I could go on, but it really moves away from acid attacks, but gangs are of course often made up of very messed up young people. Eugenics? FFS, you are weird saying things like that.

[Beanz]

The Bell Curve = Eugenics. Stefan the sociopath Molyneaux = Eugenics. You have quoted from both. You are suggesting that there are clear links between genes and intelligence across the forum. It's not weird to point this out Miles. You are now extrapolating grand theories from studies of a small range of conditions. What is the book you are reading? I am not suggesting it is Mein Kampf just asking.

[Gandalf]

The Bell Curve = Eugenics. Stefan the sociopath Molyneaux = Eugenics. You have quoted from both. You are suggesting that there are clear links between genes and intelligence across the forum. It's not weird to point this out Miles. You are now extrapolating grand theories from studies of a small range of conditions. What is the book you are reading? I am not suggesting it is Mein Kampf just asking.

I haven't quoted either, but have suggested that there are IQ differentials between races and cultures. Again, I am no expert, but what I have read makes sense. I am not interested in feelings when it comes to these things, I am just interested in if it is true or not. I treat anyone I come across as an individual and they can be either above, below, or just average in intelligence. It really doesn't matter to me. I think it does matter when opening your borders though as we are not all the same. It is one factor among many. You have this habit of making blanket assertions about me and it is unfortunate. I think automatically you jump onto racism, misogyny and eugenics and I think that is a shame really. A calm, rational person wouldn't always do that.

I have an interest in mental health obviously and tend to read a lot of things written by psychologists. I find it a very interesting field and I think by learning about such things you can also discover more about yourself. The book name shall remain a secret though as I am a paranoid type and possibly doomed to a tragic end. Thankfully the only gang I ever joined was the Baggin's Clan. I even changed my name to bloody Gandalf.

[Master]

How do you define a broken family?

[Gandalf]

Absent father or mother, divorce, homelessness, junkie parents, alcoholic parents, physical and emotional abuse, neglect, incest, those kinds of things.

[Gandalf]

Take the woman next door in the UK. 3 kids, 3 different Dads, mother on benefits letting the kids run riot while she smokes weed all day. That's not good. Then next door with us lot and our tragic back story. I won't talk about about it all with my family as it gets too screwed up. It really is everywhere. Even when the parents do not break up look at the horror Brock went through. We are creating a really bad situation. You really don't get so much of this in other societies. Why have kids if you are not going to be there for them? Why bother? We see with the rise of STD's that people are willing to sleep with anyone and unfortunately this is where all too many kids come from. Then we wonder why there are so many damaged kids. You bring up the single mother rate in black communities and the first thing you hear is 'racist'. It's not cool.

[Master]

Absent father or mother, divorce, homelessness, junkie parents, alcoholic parents, physical and emotional abuse, neglect, incest, those kinds of things.

Yes, a child not having caring parents who provide love, education and good role model.

I would not say because you have an absent parent that the family is broken.

[Gandalf]

I would say that it is a broken family. A child needs a good male role model. Of course it is a tragedy if the Dad dies at war or of cancer, but all too many men abandon their kids and at a formative age. Trust me, when your mother is unable to give you connection and your Dad walks out on you and never ever tries to contact you again when you are 10 you are in a broken family. I am not being racist when I point this out. My experiences are no different than many black people. I know what it is like to grow up in an emotional prison like that. It's an all too common thing unfortunately.