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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    You never jab just to be doing something; feint instead because you learn more and give away less.
    why feint your jab when you can throw it just short?
    My guess is that you can throw quick different punches from a feint than if you have committed to a short punch.
    anything you can do with a feint you can do with a jab thrown just short.

    a punch has a few different parts. when you throw a jab a guy is going to be moving and reacting on two main parts. when your jab is coming out and when your jab is coming back. those are his cues. and to really set a guy up with your jab you must be able to provide those cues.

    you can pick up on what a guy is trying to do to your jab so much more by throwing your jab just short cause you can compare how he is moving and reacting to every part of your jab. not just to when its starting up.

    thats why a slow and steady jab beats a fast jab.



    cause the guy throwing his jab slow and steady can see and compare how the other guy is moving and reacting to every part of his jab. when every jab you throw is a bullet you cant see and compare your jab to his movements and reactions anymore. you get out of sync.

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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    If you think too much about all this stuff you won't throw a jab at all.

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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    Quote Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust View Post
    If you think too much about all this stuff you won't throw a jab at all.
    thats not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust View Post
    If you think too much about all this stuff you won't throw a jab at all.
    thats not true.
    I think the guys with the best jabs had many variations of jab and they knew when and where to use them. The easiest fighter to use as an example for that is Wlad because A) He threw the jab more than everyone else B ) He set up his entire offense from the jab C) Everyone who fought him knew what was coming but for the most part they didn't know how. Wlad would get his opponent so concerned about the jab they would never see the right cross coming right behind it, or they'd wait on that right cross and either eat jabs all night or get cracked by a left hook.

    Throw is short, double/triple up, feint, really drive it in, slap down on the guard, swipe across at the guard, hook off of the jab because if you also double/triple up on the jab it'll really throw their defense for a loop.

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    Did you notice AJ trying to time a right hand over the jab. It caused Wlad to throws left hook at times instead of the jab.

    AJ stopped Wlad after he caught him throwing a jab at the start of the 11th round.

    Jabs can make you predictable which is why I think Roy Jones Jr did not throw too many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Did you notice AJ trying to time a right hand over the jab. It caused Wlad to throws left hook at times instead of the jab.

    AJ stopped Wlad after he caught him throwing a jab at the start of the 11th round.

    Jabs can make you predictable which is why I think Roy Jones Jr did not throw too many.
    Completely different styles Wlad lead with the jab, RJJ was a counterpuncher he wanted to invite his opponent to swing and then cut him up with the counters

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Did you notice AJ trying to time a right hand over the jab. It caused Wlad to throws left hook at times instead of the jab.

    AJ stopped Wlad after he caught him throwing a jab at the start of the 11th round.

    Jabs can make you predictable which is why I think Roy Jones Jr did not throw too many.
    Completely different styles Wlad lead with the jab, RJJ was a counterpuncher he wanted to invite his opponent to swing and then cut him up with the counters
    I was not comparing the fighters just the use of the jab.
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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    You never jab just to be doing something; feint instead because you learn more and give away less.
    why feint your jab when you can throw it just short?
    My guess is that you can throw quick different punches from a feint than if you have committed to a short punch.
    anything you can do with a feint you can do with a jab thrown just short.

    a punch has a few different parts. when you throw a jab a guy is going to be moving and reacting on two main parts. when your jab is coming out and when your jab is coming back. those are his cues. and to really set a guy up with your jab you must be able to provide those cues.

    you can pick up on what a guy is trying to do to your jab so much more by throwing your jab just short cause you can compare how he is moving and reacting to every part of your jab. not just to when its starting up.

    thats why a slow and steady jab beats a fast jab.



    cause the guy throwing his jab slow and steady can see and compare how the other guy is moving and reacting to every part of his jab. when every jab you throw is a bullet you cant see and compare your jab to his movements and reactions anymore. you get out of sync.
    That is a very good post. That is what I was referring to about observing the reaction when you jab. Throwing the jab short on purpose...if you are doing it on purpose and gaining insight from it then it works. At the same time the other guy is using your short jab to gain insight about you. And, if he is good, he knows he is out of range and won't react at all to a short jab.

    When I referred to feinting it wasn't to feinting the jab, necessarily.

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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    And, if he is good, he knows he is out of range and won't react at all to a short jab.
    good. you get to win. he gets to watch.

    otherwise it gets them real antsy. and they start thinking they got to make something happen. what that means is they start throwing punches when they shouldnt. the only choice they have.

    you throw a jab just short. he counters. since you threw it just short you see it. so you press down on your front foot and push off into your step back.



    or when you step back you walk him into your stuff.



    these days we are all calling that a check hook.

    its worth noting that just cause you throw your jab just short



    doesnt mean youre not in range to hit a guy with your right hand.



    provided of course you can throw your right hand the right way. that is with your upper body moving over your front leg. your chest coming just over your front knee.
    Last edited by Yuzo; 07-28-2018 at 05:53 PM.

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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    Yeah and if you miss that shot like that you get knocked down the way Archie Moore knocked down Rocky Marciano in the second round of their fight. Dangerous punch for the thrower, about as dangerous as a leadoff uppercut like the one Buster Douglas through and then got knocked out after by Evander Holyfield

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    Quote Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust View Post
    Yeah and if you miss that shot like that you get knocked down the way Archie Moore knocked down Rocky Marciano in the second round of their fight. Dangerous punch for the thrower, about as dangerous as a leadoff uppercut like the one Buster Douglas through and then got knocked out after by Evander Holyfield
    you never need to get hit by that counter. when you miss a right hand bring your forearm over your face.



    that lets you catch the counter right uppercut in the palm of your glove.



    you wont see that move a lot these days.

    lets talk about right hands.

    two guys trade a pair of right hands. one guy is throwing his right hand the right way. his upper body moves over his front leg. his chest comes just over his front knee. the guy throwing his right hand the right way slips the right hand coming at him through the space next to his right ear and over his right shoulder. and, the guy who cant, gets hit.



    thats cause when you throw your right hand the right way, your head moves off center, naturally preforming a slipping motion.



    when you throw your right hand and you just stay upright, your head never moves off center, so its a sitting duck. thats the most dangerous way to throw your right hand.

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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    Great advice thank you

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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    And, if he is good, he knows he is out of range and won't react at all to a short jab.
    good. you get to win. he gets to watch.

    otherwise it gets them real antsy. and they start thinking they got to make something happen. what that means is they start throwing punches when they shouldnt. the only choice they have.

    you throw a jab just short. he counters. since you threw it just short you see it. so you press down on your front foot and push off into your step back.



    or when you step back you walk him into your stuff.



    these days we are all calling that a check hook.

    its worth noting that just cause you throw your jab just short



    doesnt mean youre not in range to hit a guy with your right hand.



    provided of course you can throw your right hand the right way. that is with your upper body moving over your front leg. your chest coming just over your front knee.
    Great visuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    And, if he is good, he knows he is out of range and won't react at all to a short jab.
    good. you get to win. he gets to watch.

    otherwise it gets them real antsy. and they start thinking they got to make something happen. what that means is they start throwing punches when they shouldnt. the only choice they have.

    you throw a jab just short. he counters. since you threw it just short you see it. so you press down on your front foot and push off into your step back.



    or when you step back you walk him into your stuff.



    these days we are all calling that a check hook.

    its worth noting that just cause you throw your jab just short



    doesnt mean youre not in range to hit a guy with your right hand.



    provided of course you can throw your right hand the right way. that is with your upper body moving over your front leg. your chest coming just over your front knee.
    Again, a brilliant post. Especially the part about landing the right hand when the jab is short.

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    Default Re: Art of the Jab..

    Too many fighters paw with their left jab and pay the consequences. It's even evident in these short video clips. If your jab does nothing but become a useless exercise, you're bound to get caught with a good counter. The good effective jabs are the ones that snap back the opponent's head. At the full extension of the jab, if you freeze the frame, you'll see the jabber's body a bit diagonal, leaning into the jab. The right hand still at home to protect against a hook, but the jab is fully extended and the body is a bit diagonal and leaning into the punch. Many people confuse this with the snapping jab, thrown with speed, but without body commitment. That's ok if you're on the move, but if you really mean to set up the opponent for a straight right hand, the jab should be thrown through the head with a bit of body behind it.

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