Why was BLM a "bad" thing?

[TitoFan]

I think we come at this issue from different angles, even though we both know there are elements to what each other says that is completely right.

But you prefer to talk about BLM from the standpoint of those who prefer to start a riot no matter why, how, where, or under what circumstances the shooting occurred.

I prefer to talk about BLM from the standpoint of the decent black person who is understandably shaken by the pattern of unarmed blacks being shot by white cops, and would like to make a difference.

Neither is totally right.... neither is totally wrong. You HAVE to know there are decent black people with an honest beef who have chosen BLM as their vehicle.

Just like I know there are blacks who just like to jump the bandwagon. Let's just agree on this and avoid the endless circle we can get on.



You mentioned Michael Brown and Eric Garner..... I mentioned Stephon Clark and Walter Scott. Ok so Brown and Garner had it coming to them. Let's go on that assumption. What about the other two? What repercussions have there been based on those incidences? What far-ranging measures have been taken to avoid this sort of murder from happening in front of our very eyes? That's the pattern I'm talking about. And these are the video taped incidents. What about the many incidents that don't get caught on camera? There are issues that need to be addressed... let's not kid ourselves.

Hey, I like your suggestions:

"My solution for all of this is: more 2 parent households, clean up the schools, graduate high school at the very least, get a job, don't get pregnant or get somebody pregnant until you're married. That would solve a great deal of issues. I'd also like for the police to be less like the local military and more like Sheriff Andy Taylor from the Andy Griffith show....know your community, love your community, protect your community, don't have disdain for where you live or where your patrol is."


Those are great long term solutions. What about some immediate ones? Mandatory, enforced use of cop-cams 100% percent of the time.... no excuses. Cop-cam not working? Go home and not get paid. Mandatory is mandatory. That's the best way to force accountability on cops. They want to take out their racist tendencies on innocent people? Let them do it on their own time, in the neighborhood bar or a back alley. Not with their uniform on.


Anyway, point is we're looking at the same situation and addressing it from two different points of view. IMO, whatever brings attention to the woeful job some of these police officers are doing, is fine. I don't condone rioting..... I don't believe in lumping every black-white incident together..... I don't believe in jumping to conclusions. But I'm against this knee-jerk reaction backlash against any protest a black might have the gumption to utter because he/she feels threatened by the attitude of aggressive white cops. It's not fair. Similar shit happens in Arizona with the ethnic profiling, especially when led by a racist asshole like Joe Arpaio. Different pile of shit..... same smell.

[walrus]

I don’t think it’s bad but I think it’s being taken over by those with additional agendas

For all its talk of being a street uprising, Black Lives Matter is increasingly awash in cash, raking in pledges of more than $100 million from liberal foundations and others eager to contribute to what has become the grant-making cause du jour.

The Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy recently announced the formation of the Black-Led Movement Fund [BLMF], a six-year pooled donor campaign aimed at raising $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives coalition.

That funding comes in addition to more than $33 million in grants to the Black Lives Matter movement from top Democratic Party donor George Soros through his Open Society Foundations, as well as grant-making from the Center for American Progress.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.was...-liberal-foun/

[TitoFan]

I don’t think it’s bad but I think it’s being taken over by those with additional agendas

For all its talk of being a street uprising, Black Lives Matter is increasingly awash in cash, raking in pledges of more than $100 million from liberal foundations and others eager to contribute to what has become the grant-making cause du jour.

The Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy recently announced the formation of the Black-Led Movement Fund [BLMF], a six-year pooled donor campaign aimed at raising $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives coalition.

That funding comes in addition to more than $33 million in grants to the Black Lives Matter movement from top Democratic Party donor George Soros through his Open Society Foundations, as well as grant-making from the Center for American Progress.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.was...-liberal-foun/

That's how grassroots movements get prostituted. It's unfortunate..... but it's how these things tend to evolve. The sad part is it ends up taking the focus away from where it should be, and placing it somewhere else. Sad indeed.....

[El Kabong]

But you prefer to talk about BLM from the standpoint of those who prefer to start a riot no matter why, how, where, or under what circumstances the shooting occurred.

That is what I have witnessed them bring to the table...that and deplatforming folks who COULD help them out....remember when Bernie Sanders gave up his podium under duress and allowed BLM to speak? I do...I'm not a Bernie fan, but that's not cool to force people to listen to you, I shut that shit out.

You mentioned Michael Brown and Eric Garner..... I mentioned Stephon Clark and Walter Scott. Ok so Brown and Garner had it coming to them. Let's go on that assumption. What about the other two? What repercussions have there been based on those incidences? What far-ranging measures have been taken to avoid this sort of murder from happening in front of our very eyes? That's the pattern I'm talking about. And these are the video taped incidents. What about the many incidents that don't get caught on camera? There are issues that need to be addressed... let's not kid ourselves.

I don't believe anyone "had it coming". I think all these losses of life are bad and I was the very first poster here to call Walter Scott's murder what it was MURDER. Now Walter Scott DID run from a policeman and that in my book is a "NO-NO"....even if you have something to run from, you're taking a massive risk playing those odds. I get the fact that certain groups of people are scared of the police...I don't trust the police and yes they should be held accountable for their actions....but so should humans in general.

Every incident should be looked at individually. Philando Castile, Walter Scott, Eric Garner, etc all very different cases, all ended up with dead people, all could teach officers and civilians different things. Emotion must be taken out of these situations in order to learn new information. It can and should anger a community when these things happen, but you don't lead with emotion because more mistakes get made and emotion makes people irrational.

Those are great long term solutions. What about some immediate ones? Mandatory, enforced use of cop-cams 100% percent of the time.... no excuses. Cop-cam not working? Go home and not get paid. Mandatory is mandatory. That's the best way to force accountability on cops. They want to take out their racist tendencies on innocent people? Let them do it on their own time, in the neighborhood bar or a back alley. Not with their uniform on.

Jobs, education, decriminalize marijuana, and I would like to say some sort of Police Academy Citizens on Patrol community reach out kind of program could help. We should all be on the same team, all rowing the same direction. Cameras? Meh I mean what good do they do when every single death ends with protests and riots...BLM doesn't discriminate and that's something that needs to be understood. Convicted cop killer Assata Shakur is a "hero" to one of BLM's founders In 2015, Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza writes: "When I use Assata’s powerful demand in my organizing work, I always begin by sharing where it comes from, sharing about Assata’s significance to the Black Liberation Movement, what its political purpose and message is, and why it’s important in our context."

BLM doesn't want peace in the streets, BLM wants the abolition of police and prison as they deem them "white supremacy"....there must be rule of law, must be.



Are there racist cops? Maybe, I guess...but how many? Are they all white racists or are there black, asian, hispanic racist cops? Look at the number of white people shot by cops (475 in 2017 & 211 so far in 2018 ) compare it to the number of blacks shot by cops (223 in 2017 and 102 so far in 2018 ) and tell me there's a white racist cop problem to the extent that BLM is saying there is especially when 14% of the population in the US is black and they account for around 50% of the violent crime in the US....interactions with police increase when criminal actions increase and when violence is involved there's more likely going to be a shooting.



I don't buy that America is as racist as everyone says it is....is there racism? YES. Is it rampant White on Black racism? I don't buy it...I know there IS racism, but rampant froathing at the mouth fire hose and attack dogs and lynchings and cross burnings....nah, nah I don't buy that at all. I think that minorities are a hell of a lot more racist than they get credit for as well....I still don't think there's the rampant violent racism among any group unless you throw in the gang warfare in places like LA where it's black on brown and vice versa...otherwise nah, I believe in the goodness of the American people.

[TitoFan]

But you prefer to talk about BLM from the standpoint of those who prefer to start a riot no matter why, how, where, or under what circumstances the shooting occurred.

That is what I have witnessed them bring to the table...that and deplatforming folks who COULD help them out....remember when Bernie Sanders gave up his podium under duress and allowed BLM to speak? I do...I'm not a Bernie fan, but that's not cool to force people to listen to you, I shut that shit out.

I hadn't seen that but looked up the video. That was downright DEPLORABLE and DISRESPECTFUL by a couple of bitches who should have been forcibly removed from the stage. They were wearing BLM T-shirts, so the proper thing to do would have been for BLM to condemn that behavior on the spot. If they didn't, bad on them. Bernie should have had bodyguards throw those bitches off the stage, since obviously Bernie wasn't going to do it himself.

You can obviously find and post more examples than I can.... but it doesn't take away from the fact that some people who sympathize with BLM are decent people. Many blacks who are scared about what they read in the news. Lyle, please tell me you're aware of the black college professors and others like them who have been racially profiled to the extent of causing fear and discomfort. Don't make me Google them because I'm not that good at looking for these examples.

So there you have it.... extreme as you can get. Some loudmouth, uncouth women who should've gotten shoved off the stage.... and upstanding citizens who have the God-given right to feel concern about the racial deterioration that began under Obama's watch and has continued. Many times involving the police.

Those are great long term solutions. What about some immediate ones? Mandatory, enforced use of cop-cams 100% percent of the time.... no excuses. Cop-cam not working? Go home and not get paid. Mandatory is mandatory. That's the best way to force accountability on cops. They want to take out their racist tendencies on innocent people? Let them do it on their own time, in the neighborhood bar or a back alley. Not with their uniform on.

Jobs, education, decriminalize marijuana, and I would like to say some sort of Police Academy Citizens on Patrol community reach out kind of program could help. We should all be on the same team, all rowing the same direction. Cameras? Meh I mean what good do they do when every single death ends with protests and riots...BLM doesn't discriminate and that's something that needs to be understood. Convicted cop killer Assata Shakur is a "hero" to one of BLM's founders In 2015, Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza writes: "When I use Assata’s powerful demand in my organizing work, I always begin by sharing where it comes from, sharing about Assata’s significance to the Black Liberation Movement, what its political purpose and message is, and why it’s important in our context."

We differ here. Cameras are ABSOLUTELY necessary. Accountability..... that's what it's all about. An inept, racist, unprofessional white cop is going to think twice about beating a black man's skull against the pavement after a jaywalking stop if he knows he's wearing a camera that will later detail every single action. Just like we all now need to pass through 2-hour airport security lines...... cops should all wear mandatory cop-cams. If you ain't doing nothing wrong..... you don't got nothing to be afraid of.

To your other point, blacks have historically had different ways to react to what they perceive to be the white man's abuse. Back in the days of Martin Luther King, who favored pacifist marches and using words to resolve racial differences, there was also Malcolm X, who took a slightly different approach. Those were the days of the Black Panthers. There was a black backlash to the white racism of the past. That's why I've said I wouldn't have survived as a black man in the U.S. in the 50's and 60's. 'Cause I would've been of the angry type. Probably not a good recipe for survival back in those days.

It appears BLM was founded by the wrong people for the wrong purposes, going by what I've delved into a bit more. It's too bad, really. Because there most certainly IS a problem. I feel sorry for those poor folks..... the only ones I really care about and speak about..... who have no recourse, and the little recourse they might have is being taken away from them by an organization which is being prostituted and doesn't really represent them at all.




Finally, I agree that America isn't as racist as it used to be. That's because with time and globalization, people are a bit more traveled and educated. Racism = ignorance Pockets of ignorant people still exist, like the KKK and Neo-Nazis.... but they're in a very small minority. Still, it's a shame that racial relations aren't further along than they are. I blame Obama for a lot of these things, because he of all people could've used his milestone election to promote the improvement of racial relations.

Hopefully the more time passes, the less prevalent racism will be.

[brocktonblockbust]

@TitoFan the decent black person as you call it would easily see that the blacks who got shot we're grabbing in their waistband for things or running away when told to stop or resisting arrest and throwing punches when told to put their hands behind their back

That's why I am against black lives matter because it is all a fallacy it is all a street myth

[TitoFan]

@TitoFan the decent black person as you call it would easily see that the blacks who got shot we're grabbing in their waistband for things or running away when told to stop or resisting arrest and throwing punches when told to put their hands behind their back

That's why I am against black lives matter because it is all a fallacy it is all a street myth

A guy gets 8 shots in the back while "jogging" away from the police officer..... and that's good police work?

Fuck. Good thing you didn't decide to be a cop.

[Gandalf]

Black lives do indeed matter, but so does being more responsible and not turning to violent crime. Personally I think you can take all the drugs you like, but just don't physically hurt anyone else or steal from them.

If black lives matter then why do only 30% of black kids have a dad? Do their lives not matter? Trust me when I say not having good parental role models will mess you up more than any 'institutionalized racism'.

[walrus]

If I may, a guy at work was wearing a trump shirt. A group of people went to HR to complain they felt the shirt was racist and made them uncomfortable. Several in this group wear BLM shirts to work. I’m not knocking BLM I’m just saying it was a weird situation.

[brocktonblockbust]

@TitoFan the decent black person as you call it would easily see that the blacks who got shot we're grabbing in their waistband for things or running away when told to stop or resisting arrest and throwing punches when told to put their hands behind their back

That's why I am against black lives matter because it is all a fallacy it is all a street myth

A guy gets 8 shots in the back while "jogging" away from the police officer..... and that's good police work?

Fuck. Good thing you didn't decide to be a cop.

Shot 8 times after grabbing for the taser and fumbling for it from the cops hands. Could have used it against the cop FFS fucking endangered the cop by grabbing for a weapon out of cops hands, resisted arrest, refused to comply, YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'D BLOW HIS ASS AWAY WITH EIGHT BULLETS MAYBE MORE LIKE 9 OR 10