Who is lying?

[Master]

AJ is the best of the 3 in terms of being a stable champion, respectful, professional and fighting the best available.

Wilder is raw and unpredictable with exciting power.

Fury is the most unauthodox of them and could beat everyone if he was everything AJ is but he is not.

[TAPugil]

I stayed away from judging AJ, until now!

I think AJ has the better skill set, but it seems his team overplayed their hand. Fury & Wilder both accuse AJ's team of fouling up negotiations. Initially I thought it was a bit of both teams.

It also seems fundamentals are no longer the measure of a great champ. After all, a fighter who throws straight, picks his punches, sets up with the jab is somewhat predictable, no how matter how great, how fast.
On the other hand, punches coming from weird angles, throwing off the back foot, awkward movement is why Fury said this was his most difficult fight, regardless that Klitschko is miles better than Wilder.

As quick as this is about to get signed, really makes AJ's team look all the more guilty. Joshua isn't afraid, he just had a team that didn't anticipate Fury would be contacted and agree with no haggling.

Winner of this fight controls negotiations no matter how many belts AJ has.

[TitoFan]

I stayed away from judging AJ, until now!

I think AJ has the better skill set, but it seems his team overplayed their hand. Fury & Wilder both accuse AJ's team of fouling up negotiations. Initially I thought it was a bit of both teams.

It also seems fundamentals are no longer the measure of a great champ. After all, a fighter who throws straight, picks his punches, sets up with the jab is somewhat predictable, no how matter how great, how fast.
On the other hand, punches coming from weird angles, throwing off the back foot, awkward movement is why Fury said this was his most difficult fight, regardless that Klitschko is miles better than Wilder.

As quick as this is about to get signed, really makes AJ's team look all the more guilty. Joshua isn't afraid, he just had a team that didn't anticipate Fury would be contacted and agree with no haggling.

Winner of this fight controls negotiations no matter how many belts AJ has.

If Wilder beats Fury, especially convincingly, he'll bring more to the table at the next go-round with Hearn and AJ. He can basically tell Hearn to go f*ck himself and the scraps Hearn was first seeking to stick Wilder with.

Yes, I agree AJ's team failed to anticipate Wilder-Fury being made so quickly and easily. Does make AJ look foolish and even a little scared, even if he truly isn't.

I'm not a Fury fan, but I'm happy he stepped up and filled the void being made by the frustrating negotiations between AJ and Wilder.

[Fenster]

Regardless of who's lying AJ has fought stronger opposition than Wilder and Fury put together.

AJ's best five opponents to date

Wlad
Parker
Whyte
Povetkin*
Takam/Breazeale

Wilder's best five

Ortiz
Stiverne
Arreola
Duhaupas
Molina/Scott

Fury's best five

Wlad
Chisora
Cunningham
Hammer
Kingpin/Fat John

Name THREE fighters from Wilder and Fury's opposition combined who can replace names on AJ's record? I'll start with Ortiz.

Next?

[Gandalf]

Wilder would fight all of them Fenster and tried to fight Povetkin. Wilder is the hungry one of the 3. One ballooned up to the size of a brontosaurus, the other fights safety first. Meanwhile Wilder knocks people out. He is the dangerous fighter of the 3 and will overwhelm both IMO. It's like with Prime Pac, you can try and outbox him but he is going to explode and put you down several times along the way. Wilder just needs to connect and they fall.

[Memphis]

Since becoming champ, Wilder's fights last on average eight and a bit rounds. Joshua by comparison takes seven and a bit rounds against better opposition. Yet you hear it more and more how Joshua isn't a big puncher, 'not like Wilder'. Mental.

[Fenster]

You're opinion is cool and all Miles but whilst your "prime Pac" heavyweight "could" beat everyone the "safety first" one is actually doing it, in half the amount of contests.

Parker, Whyte and Povetkin are 50-50 with Wilder and Fury. Neither are certain to beat Breazeale or Takam either.

The best thing Wilder ever did was divert the plane back to America instead of going through with the Povetkin fight (he knew well in advance Povetkin was gonna get popped for the mexican meat)

[brocktonblockbust]

everybody said Primo carnera could not punch and he killed two people in the ring. He was a giant. Any giant can kill somebody give him the right angle and the right punch. It is very likely that Tyson Fury could kill Wilder

[p4pking]

You're opinion is cool and all Miles but whilst your "prime Pac" heavyweight "could" beat everyone the "safety first" one is actually doing it, in half the amount of contests.

Parker, Whyte and Povetkin are 50-50 with Wilder and Fury. Neither are certain to beat Breazeale or Takam either.

The best thing Wilder ever did was divert the plane back to America instead of going through with the Povetkin fight (he knew well in advance Povetkin was gonna get popped for the mexican meat)

It must be fair to just disagree entirely here? Parker whyte and povetkin are 50 50 amongst each other, but would have the same chance against fury or wilder that they would in rematches with Joshua, IMO. That’s not to say that Aj isn’t the top guy, I believe he is slightly, just that there is a pretty obvious top 3 and then a bit of a gulf.

[Master]

Either way AJ and Eddie Hearn are the ones looking like dicks. They know that no one is really interested in their fight and the big elephant in their press conference room will be Fury v Wilder.

[imp]

AJ has fought the better competition..period.

Can someone please remind me how many top ten ranked opponents that Wilder has faced?

Stirverne..Ortiz...mmmmm

[imp]

Wilder would fight all of them Fenster and tried to fight Povetkin. Wilder is the hungry one of the 3. One ballooned up to the size of a brontosaurus, the other fights safety first. Meanwhile Wilder knocks people out. He is the dangerous fighter of the 3 and will overwhelm both IMO. It's like with Prime Pac, you can try and outbox him but he is going to explode and put you down several times along the way. Wilder just needs to connect and they fall.

How come Wilder never fought Wlad?

[Master]

Wilder would fight all of them Fenster and tried to fight Povetkin. Wilder is the hungry one of the 3. One ballooned up to the size of a brontosaurus, the other fights safety first. Meanwhile Wilder knocks people out. He is the dangerous fighter of the 3 and will overwhelm both IMO. It's like with Prime Pac, you can try and outbox him but he is going to explode and put you down several times along the way. Wilder just needs to connect and they fall.

How come Wilder never fought Wlad?

Wlad that nearly beat AJ would have beaten Wilder.

[smashup]

This entire thread is just if's, buts and maybes.
Yes AJ or Hearn didn't want the Wilder fight when it was offered, for whatever reason, timing, conditions....
What we can be sure of is that it can't have been about the Money which was massive.
AJ has fought the better opposition compared to Wilder and Fury - no doubt about it.
I see ways that every one of them beats the other 2.
None of us know who will come out as the top fighter of the three until they get in the ring and fight.
Smart money would be on AJ as far as I'm concerned.

[TitoFan]

Whole lotta posts about who's better.... who's fought the better opposition.... blah, blah, blah.

Who cares. There's plenty of threads on that.

All I said was that Fury had made AJ look bad by doing something AJ was unable or unwilling to do......... come to an agreement to fight Wilder, and even in the U.S. to boot.