Who is lying?

[TitoFan]

Whole lotta posts about who's better.... who's fought the better opposition.... blah, blah, blah.

Who cares. There's plenty of threads on that.

All I said was that Fury had made AJ look bad by doing something AJ was unable or unwilling to do......... come to an agreement to fight Wilder, and even in the U.S. to boot.

[Gandalf]

Joshua has become mechanical in his last few fights and lacks stamina. If Wlad at 55 can have him on the retreat for several rounds Wilder will have him on the floor again and again. He has the legs, the power, the combos. It will be messy. Who wanted that fight and who is fighting Fury first? Wlad was always chinny and that was the difference once he had gassed again. He always gets chinny when exhausted. Just too old and Toney schooled him in sparring too when he was meant to be good. Vitali was the real deal, Wlad less so.

[powerpuncher]

People are constantly overrating the HWs. I could buy into the fact that AJ had better competition than Wilder, but Parker and Whyte aren’t really much better than Stiverne and Arreola. None of them are good anyways.

[Fenster]

Parker and Whyte are prime guys with ambition, something Wilder and Fury have been kept away from.

Fury and Wilder really haven't proved they're much in front of the pack, they both have one good win which props them up, but overall their records are very weak.

Of the current top 10 heavyweights (The Ring) Fury has fought ZERO and Wilder ONE!

I'm not certain they beat any of a dozen heavyweights let alone AJ. And likewise he's not certain to beat Povetkin and a few others.

[powerpuncher]

Parker and Whyte are prime guys with ambition, something Wilder and Fury have been kept away from.

Fury and Wilder really haven't proved they're much in front of the pack, they both have one good win which props them up, but overall their records are very weak.

Of the current top 10 heavyweights (The Ring) Fury has fought ZERO and Wilder ONE!

I'm not certain they beat any of a dozen heavyweights let alone AJ. And likewise he's not certain to beat Povetkin and a few others.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I feel the same about AJ. None of the three do I feel super confident that they beat any other top HW. I still think Wilder beats AJ but I’m not that confident. If AJ proves me wrong then so be it. I feel like all three need to do quite a bit more to prove they’re at that next level and not just a good fighter among at best average HWs

[Fenster]

That's basically what i'm saying.

The winner of Wilder-AJ-Fury would clearly be the standout king of the heavyweights but there's so much more for these guys to prove yet. These are young guys in their prime, with constant new challengers emerging, not old guys who have proved it all already.

One good win doesn't make you a great.

[ono]

Joshua has become mechanical in his last few fights and lacks stamina. If Wlad at 55 can have him on the retreat for several rounds Wilder will have him on the floor again and again. He has the legs, the power, the combos. It will be messy. Who wanted that fight and who is fighting Fury first? Wlad was always chinny and that was the difference once he had gassed again. He always gets chinny when exhausted. Just too old and Toney schooled him in sparring too when he was meant to be good. Vitali was the real deal, Wlad less so.

Wlad had him on the retreat because he hurt him. It happens. I could flip your argument and say that if Ortiz, at 55, and on blood pressure medication, can have Wilder on queer street, what would Joshua do to him. It's an irrelevant argument because fight outcomes change dramatically within a split second. You could also add in the caveat that Joshua fought Wlad in a voluntary defence, whereas Wilder hasn't ever shown any desire to pursue a Wlad fight at any point in his career.

As for the "who wanted that fight" argument regarding Joshua/Wilder, the notion that Wilder wants the fight right now is hilarious. For a start, the $50m offer was reliant on BT Sport having the UK rights to the broadcast, which obviously can't happen because of Joshua's SKY contract. Finkel knew this. Ignoring that, Wilder and Finkel publicly accepted terms for the Joshua fight but then backed out because they were so worried that the contract didn't have a date or venue. Strange how the Fury fight also has neither a date or a venue, yet that is suddenly now not an issue. Also strange how Finkel demanded that Hearn publicly agree to the fight before meeting or seeing a contract, yet had no issue sending a contract to Fury prior to him giving his agreement.

What Finkel wanted to happen was for Hearn to publicly accept the offer and then back out of the fight once he'd seen a contract - which he would have had to do given Sky have the exclusive UK rights to Joshua. Regardless, there is still an offer on the table for them to consider, so if they were even halfway interested, you would think they would respond to the offer. I'm sure they will in due time....

As for the Fury thing. Don't make me laugh by trying to paint Fury as a threat off the back of a 3 year lay-off from fighting legitimate competition. Of course Wilder wants to fight him now. He wants an easy, profile building payday which would then allow him to claim lineage of the Heavyweight world title. It's brilliant business sense, but don't try and paint it as heroic bravery.