Loma vs Pedraza, your thoughts?

[Alpha]

Personally I think the TBRB ratings are a very poor, and I don't put much stock in P4P lists.

Like I said we could through each guys record and pull each apart.

The biggest things for me are, Rigo may be a HOFer but not for anything he has done at 130, which was 2 weights above 122.

Linares is a question mark, he had already been lost 3 times by ko prior to Loma, 2 to much lower competition and you could argue he had been playing it safe with opposition since the Thompson loss. You could argue he avoided Zlaticanin, who Mikey fought in his 2nd fight back. If you think Linares is a probable HOFer, then I think you could say Broner and Salido could probably be as well.

Then the big one, Loma lost to a guy Mikey pretty much dominated.

I stand by my original state that Mike's record is on par, if not better than Loma's, but again it's just my opinion.

[Fenster]

You used TBRB ratings to highlight Lipinets worth, now you're saying their ratings are worthless? Fair enough, I was just using the source you provided.

I don't see Loma's razor-thin loss, in his 2nd pro fight and first go at 12 rounds as a negative, I believe it only highlights the superior level he has operated at.

You're argument is ("the big one") - Mikey's record is boosted by his win over Salido who beat Loma. Well if that's the case you can argue everyone who has beat Salido is better than Loma. Salido has lost a dozen or so times.

My point is - Loma has beat better fighters than Salido, much better. I don't need excuses or explanations, quite simply Rigo, Linares and Walters are superior opposition to Salido, who is nothing more than Roman Martinez level, a man Loma subsequently annihilated after Martinez beat Salido.

Mikey is a great fighter without a standout/signature win, hence he doesn't currently top any reputable P4P raankings after winning four titles in four divisions and going 40 fights unbeaten.

[Alpha]

You used TBRB ratings to highlight Lipinets worth, now you're saying their ratings are worthless? Fair enough, I was just using the source you provided.

I don't see Loma's razor-thin loss, in his 2nd pro fight and first go at 12 rounds as a negative, I believe it only highlights the superior level he has operated at.

You're argument is ("the big one") - Mikey's record is boosted by his win over Salido who beat Loma. Well if that's the case you can argue everyone who has beat Salido is better than Loma. Salido has lost a dozen or so times.

My point is - Loma has beat better fighters than Salido, much better. I don't need excuses or explanations, quite simply Rigo, Linares and Walters are superior opposition to Salido, who is nothing more than Roman Martinez level, a man Loma subsequently annihilated after Martinez beat Salido.

Mikey is a great fighter without a standout/signature win, hence he doesn't currently top any reputable P4P raankings after winning four titles in four divisions and going 40 fights unbeaten.

I said some publications had Lipnets rated highly and used the TBRB as an example as I think they had him #2. I said I thought he was bottom half of the top 10 at 140. I don't think much of their ratings.

Salido was #1 at feather when Mikey fought him.

And what I mean by 'the big one' is that Loma lost.

If Loma had fought Rigo at 126 it may have counted for more in my eyes.

Linares had already been blown out and had been playing it safe with his opposition.

I don't really pay P4P much mind, as I said, it's too subjective. I never said Mikey was #1 P4P. There are probably 5/6 guys at the moment that you could make an argument for the #1 spot.

[TitoFan]

If Loma had fought Rigo at 126 it may have counted for more in my eyes.

I think most boxing fans feel as you do. Even Loma himself recognized "This is not his weight, so it's not a big win for me." The buildup to the fight was huge, what with two two-time Olympic gold medal winners facing off. RJJ himself was quoted as hyperbolizing..... "To me, on paper, this is the best professional fight that has ever been made." Obviously, with that kind of pre-fight hype, Loma fans can be forgiven for latching onto that fight in their Loma arguments. But the truth is that Rigo jumped two weight divisions to fight Loma after having fought at super bantam his entire pro career. Can't really blame him, since guys in his own division wanted nothing to do with him. Think of Kell Brook, who foolishly jumped two divisions to fight GGG. We all know how that ended. Not considered a big win in GGG's ledger, either.

[TitoFan]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

[Master]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

I had high hopes for Nicholas Walters but definitely gone off the rails. Still an impressive win for Loma.

[Alpha]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

I had high hopes for Nicholas Walters but definitely gone off the rails. Still an impressive win for Loma.

I like the Walters win but it is deceptive, his best wins were arguably Donaire and Darchinyan, what had either guy really done at 126? Walters hadn't done anything at 130.

[TitoFan]

And this perfectly sums up the Rigo sentiment, it's a fight for the history books, regardless of the disappointing onesided outcome.

The buildup to the fight was huge, what with two two-time Olympic gold medal winners facing off. RJJ himself was quoted as hyperbolizing..... "To me, on paper, this is the best professional fight that has ever been made."

Mikey needs a Loma or Spence or Crawford to generate this type of feeling.

Taken juuuuuuuust a bit out of context, but ok.
Here's my original post, with the critical parts highlighted.

If Loma had fought Rigo at 126 it may have counted for more in my eyes.

I think most boxing fans feel as you do. Even Loma himself recognized "This is not his weight, so it's not a big win for me." The buildup to the fight was huge, what with two two-time Olympic gold medal winners facing off. RJJ himself was quoted as hyperbolizing..... "To me, on paper, this is the best professional fight that has ever been made." Obviously, with that kind of pre-fight hype, Loma fans can be forgiven for latching onto that fight in their Loma arguments. But the truth is that Rigo jumped two weight divisions to fight Loma after having fought at super bantam his entire pro career. Can't really blame him, since guys in his own division wanted nothing to do with him. Think of Kell Brook, who foolishly jumped two divisions to fight GGG. We all know how that ended. Not considered a big win in GGG's ledger, either.

Still..... it gives me an idea for a new thread on pre-fight hype.