Loma vs Pedraza, your thoughts?

[Alpha]

You used TBRB ratings to highlight Lipinets worth, now you're saying their ratings are worthless? Fair enough, I was just using the source you provided.

I don't see Loma's razor-thin loss, in his 2nd pro fight and first go at 12 rounds as a negative, I believe it only highlights the superior level he has operated at.

You're argument is ("the big one") - Mikey's record is boosted by his win over Salido who beat Loma. Well if that's the case you can argue everyone who has beat Salido is better than Loma. Salido has lost a dozen or so times.

My point is - Loma has beat better fighters than Salido, much better. I don't need excuses or explanations, quite simply Rigo, Linares and Walters are superior opposition to Salido, who is nothing more than Roman Martinez level, a man Loma subsequently annihilated after Martinez beat Salido.

Mikey is a great fighter without a standout/signature win, hence he doesn't currently top any reputable P4P raankings after winning four titles in four divisions and going 40 fights unbeaten.

I said some publications had Lipnets rated highly and used the TBRB as an example as I think they had him #2. I said I thought he was bottom half of the top 10 at 140. I don't think much of their ratings.

Salido was #1 at feather when Mikey fought him.

And what I mean by 'the big one' is that Loma lost.

If Loma had fought Rigo at 126 it may have counted for more in my eyes.

Linares had already been blown out and had been playing it safe with his opposition.

I don't really pay P4P much mind, as I said, it's too subjective. I never said Mikey was #1 P4P. There are probably 5/6 guys at the moment that you could make an argument for the #1 spot.

[TitoFan]

If Loma had fought Rigo at 126 it may have counted for more in my eyes.

I think most boxing fans feel as you do. Even Loma himself recognized "This is not his weight, so it's not a big win for me." The buildup to the fight was huge, what with two two-time Olympic gold medal winners facing off. RJJ himself was quoted as hyperbolizing..... "To me, on paper, this is the best professional fight that has ever been made." Obviously, with that kind of pre-fight hype, Loma fans can be forgiven for latching onto that fight in their Loma arguments. But the truth is that Rigo jumped two weight divisions to fight Loma after having fought at super bantam his entire pro career. Can't really blame him, since guys in his own division wanted nothing to do with him. Think of Kell Brook, who foolishly jumped two divisions to fight GGG. We all know how that ended. Not considered a big win in GGG's ledger, either.

[TitoFan]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

[Master]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

I had high hopes for Nicholas Walters but definitely gone off the rails. Still an impressive win for Loma.

[Alpha]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

I had high hopes for Nicholas Walters but definitely gone off the rails. Still an impressive win for Loma.

I like the Walters win but it is deceptive, his best wins were arguably Donaire and Darchinyan, what had either guy really done at 126? Walters hadn't done anything at 130.

[Master]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

I had high hopes for Nicholas Walters but definitely gone off the rails. Still an impressive win for Loma.

I like the Walters win but it is deceptive, his best wins were arguably Donaire and Darchinyan, what had either guy really done at 126? Walters hadn't done anything at 130.

Nicholas Walters is the only man to stop Donaire and that is some feat.

[Spicoli]

With benefit of hindsight and even though I liked Walters I think the fact he's done absolutely nothing after his lone loss says something about how 'good' he may have been in actuality. He peaked and crashed in about 2 yrs time. Good win for Loma no doubt but on his record I'd rank Russell higher. What we're realizing is that you cannot have a Loma discussion without Garcia, and vice versa. A guys record can be picked apart but it has to come down to quality of opponent case by case for me not so much where they were ranked. Also saw mention of Linares and he imo has to be foremost on Lomas record. Sure he may have been sparked earlier in career but wasn't he more than willing and ready to go with Mikey prior to Loma but it was Mikey who opted to settle on a 4th division trinket rather than a substantive division threat. If he's quality enough for Mikey to think about he's certainly quality enough for Loma to share a ring with.

[TitoFan]

And this perfectly sums up the Rigo sentiment, it's a fight for the history books, regardless of the disappointing onesided outcome.

The buildup to the fight was huge, what with two two-time Olympic gold medal winners facing off. RJJ himself was quoted as hyperbolizing..... "To me, on paper, this is the best professional fight that has ever been made."

Mikey needs a Loma or Spence or Crawford to generate this type of feeling.

Taken juuuuuuuust a bit out of context, but ok.
Here's my original post, with the critical parts highlighted.

If Loma had fought Rigo at 126 it may have counted for more in my eyes.

I think most boxing fans feel as you do. Even Loma himself recognized "This is not his weight, so it's not a big win for me." The buildup to the fight was huge, what with two two-time Olympic gold medal winners facing off. RJJ himself was quoted as hyperbolizing..... "To me, on paper, this is the best professional fight that has ever been made." Obviously, with that kind of pre-fight hype, Loma fans can be forgiven for latching onto that fight in their Loma arguments. But the truth is that Rigo jumped two weight divisions to fight Loma after having fought at super bantam his entire pro career. Can't really blame him, since guys in his own division wanted nothing to do with him. Think of Kell Brook, who foolishly jumped two divisions to fight GGG. We all know how that ended. Not considered a big win in GGG's ledger, either.

Still..... it gives me an idea for a new thread on pre-fight hype.