Loma vs Pedraza, your thoughts?

[Master]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

I had high hopes for Nicholas Walters but definitely gone off the rails. Still an impressive win for Loma.

[Alpha]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

I had high hopes for Nicholas Walters but definitely gone off the rails. Still an impressive win for Loma.

I like the Walters win but it is deceptive, his best wins were arguably Donaire and Darchinyan, what had either guy really done at 126? Walters hadn't done anything at 130.

[Master]

TBH, Loma's win over Walters was a bit more impressive, although Walters totally dismayed his fans by quitting, and hasn't been heard of since. Doesn't sound like his head was really into boxing.

I had high hopes for Nicholas Walters but definitely gone off the rails. Still an impressive win for Loma.

I like the Walters win but it is deceptive, his best wins were arguably Donaire and Darchinyan, what had either guy really done at 126? Walters hadn't done anything at 130.

Nicholas Walters is the only man to stop Donaire and that is some feat.

[Spicoli]

With benefit of hindsight and even though I liked Walters I think the fact he's done absolutely nothing after his lone loss says something about how 'good' he may have been in actuality. He peaked and crashed in about 2 yrs time. Good win for Loma no doubt but on his record I'd rank Russell higher. What we're realizing is that you cannot have a Loma discussion without Garcia, and vice versa. A guys record can be picked apart but it has to come down to quality of opponent case by case for me not so much where they were ranked. Also saw mention of Linares and he imo has to be foremost on Lomas record. Sure he may have been sparked earlier in career but wasn't he more than willing and ready to go with Mikey prior to Loma but it was Mikey who opted to settle on a 4th division trinket rather than a substantive division threat. If he's quality enough for Mikey to think about he's certainly quality enough for Loma to share a ring with.

[powerpuncher]

I think that Russell Jr is Loma’s best win. Russell is a good fighter who just isn’t as rated because of his inactivity. He is a very good fighter and Loma comfortably won the fight. No excuses whatsoever.

[Alpha]

Great posts guys

With benefit of hindsight and even though I liked Walters I think the fact he's done absolutely nothing after his lone loss says something about how 'good' he may have been in actuality. He peaked and crashed in about 2 yrs time. Good win for Loma no doubt but on his record I'd rank Russell higher. What we're realizing is that you cannot have a Loma discussion without Garcia, and vice versa. A guys record can be picked apart but it has to come down to quality of opponent case by case for me not so much where they were ranked. Also saw mention of Linares and he imo has to be foremost on Lomas record. Sure he may have been sparked earlier in career but wasn't he more than willing and ready to go with Mikey prior to Loma but it was Mikey who opted to settle on a 4th division trinket rather than a substantive division threat. If he's quality enough for Mikey to think about he's certainly quality enough for Loma to share a ring with.

I'm not saying Linares isn't a fantastic fighter, watching him fight has always been a treat.

I'm just pointing out that when Broner and Linares were both at 135 almost everyone saw Broner as the #1 in the division. If Broner had stayed focused and at 135 it would have been interesting to see how a fight between the 2 would have been viewed by fans. I also never recognised Linares as the Ring champ (see my debate about recognised #1 and 2 in another thread).

It's debatable if Linares was the #1 guy at 135. As I pointed out in another thread The Ring still rates Thurman as #1 at 147 after almost 18 months of inactivity. Mikey returned to 135 exactly 18 months after fighting above but always indicated that he wanted to return to lightweight. It could be argued Mikey was still the #1 guy. Also we can't put all the blame on Mikey for Linares fight not happening. Look at the hoops Arum made GBP jump through to get the Linares fight done.

I think that Russell Jr is Loma’s best win. Russell is a good fighter who just isn’t as rated because of his inactivity. He is a very good fighter and Loma comfortably won the fight. No excuses whatsoever.

Russell was an excellent victory. It's just that he had fought no one prior to Loma and his opposition was very weak.

The original debate was about the best fighters Loma hadn't faced in each division.

Salido was still arguably #1 at feather when Loma fought him. And although he failed to make weight, he did win the fight.

At 130 there was Berchelt, Corrales/Machado and even Salido.

And at 135 as I have pointed out, there was arguably Mikey.


Onto another point, with Mikey still talking the Spence fight, I think it should be viewed like Loma's challenging for a title in only his 2nd fight. It is a huge challenge and Mikey would be daring to be great.

[Fenster]

The fact everyone is talking about Loma's opposition instead of Mikey's sums it up. Fans know all about Loma's opposition whereas nobody is ever going to point to Lipinets or Easter or Zlat or even Salido and reel off who they beat, most fans know Salido through Loma and probably can't recall anything about the others.

You can downplay Linares but hardcore/nerds instantly think - three weight champion, no.1 lightweight, P4P, Ring champion, etc. Linares was a big star (in the boxing hardcore/nerd world) before he suffered his first shock loss.

Walters - no.1 featherweight, unbeaten, sparko puncher, stopped future hall of famer Donaire.

And this perfectly sums up the Rigo sentiment, it's a fight for the history books, regardless of the disappointing onesided outcome.

The buildup to the fight was huge, what with two two-time Olympic gold medal winners facing off. RJJ himself was quoted as hyperbolizing..... "To me, on paper, this is the best professional fight that has ever been made."

Mikey needs a Loma or Spence or Crawford to generate this type of feeling.

[Spicoli]

Great posts guys

With benefit of hindsight and even though I liked Walters I think the fact he's done absolutely nothing after his lone loss says something about how 'good' he may have been in actuality. He peaked and crashed in about 2 yrs time. Good win for Loma no doubt but on his record I'd rank Russell higher. What we're realizing is that you cannot have a Loma discussion without Garcia, and vice versa. A guys record can be picked apart but it has to come down to quality of opponent case by case for me not so much where they were ranked. Also saw mention of Linares and he imo has to be foremost on Lomas record. Sure he may have been sparked earlier in career but wasn't he more than willing and ready to go with Mikey prior to Loma but it was Mikey who opted to settle on a 4th division trinket rather than a substantive division threat. If he's quality enough for Mikey to think about he's certainly quality enough for Loma to share a ring with.

I'm not saying Linares isn't a fantastic fighter, watching him fight has always been a treat.

I'm just pointing out that when Broner and Linares were both at 135 almost everyone saw Broner as the #1 in the division. If Broner had stayed focused and at 135 it would have been interesting to see how a fight between the 2 would have been viewed by fans. I also never recognised Linares as the Ring champ (see my debate about recognised #1 and 2 in another thread).

It's debatable if Linares was the #1 guy at 135. As I pointed out in another thread The Ring still rates Thurman as #1 at 147 after almost 18 months of inactivity. Mikey returned to 135 exactly 18 months after fighting above but always indicated that he wanted to return to lightweight. It could be argued Mikey was still the #1 guy. Also we can't put all the blame on Mikey for Linares fight not happening. Look at the hoops Arum made GBP jump through to get the Linares fight done.

I think that Russell Jr is Loma’s best win. Russell is a good fighter who just isn’t as rated because of his inactivity. He is a very good fighter and Loma comfortably won the fight. No excuses whatsoever.

Russell was an excellent victory. It's just that he had fought no one prior to Loma and his opposition was very weak.

The original debate was about the best fighters Loma hadn't faced in each division.

Salido was still arguably #1 at feather when Loma fought him. And although he failed to make weight, he did win the fight.

At 130 there was Berchelt, Corrales/Machado and even Salido.

And at 135 as I have pointed out, there was arguably Mikey.


Onto another point, with Mikey still talking the Spence fight, I think it should be viewed like Loma's challenging for a title in only his 2nd fight. It is a huge challenge and Mikey would be daring to be great.

I think the singular thing that helped that was Broner beating DeMarco after he had beat Linares a couple yrs earlier. That and the sheer push and visibility of a Broner who after all was at 135 for hardly a minute. I mean The Ring also had Broner ranked what..5,6 p4p in the world and that for me summed up how the once bible of boxing had fallen. The Ring may still rank Thurman #1 but respectfully you, me, nearly everyone except Thurmans closest relatives know that doesn't pass the smell test. He is a man with a division passing him by. It's an entirely different issue but you don't get rewarded for not working your house. Be it injury or lawsuits or just jumping for more shiny objects etc the division stays in motion. That's on Mikey leaving even with 'special permission' and he can't have it both ways. All that aside..you have to give Mikey 100 percent respect for Salido at the point it happened. Salido from basically the point of debuting in the U.S has facing solid competition and crushed heavily hyped Juan Ma twice and always proved a tough nut to crack. I wanna say he was actually coming on a bit v Garcia until the broken nose and the fight being stopped. Didn't he also have a broke nose?