Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt

[Alpha]

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet:

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I can’t think of a recent fight where a draw was more In order, neither guy deserved to lose that. Would like to see Mikey Garcia fight either of the two before Spence,would be a real acid test and indicator of whether the weight jump is realistic.

[Ron Swanson]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

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Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

[Ron Swanson]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

[powerpuncher]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Because we all think jumping in with Spence is a bad idea and that fighting another welter first is the better idea. I would love it if he could fight Loma first and then make the jump. That probably won’t happen either though yet we still talk about it

[p4pking]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Well it’s all hypothetical anyways until something is signed, Mikey fought not long ago, I was just saying. Feel like you follow boxing on a day to day thing much more than I, so no real qualms with your stance. Don’t you think it’d be wiser for Garcia to test the waters against someone lesser who holds the weight, though? He looked and struggled every bit the part of a smaller man against lipinets...I totally understand just wanting to see good fights made, but this one could be better in due course, right? I don’t think it’s even competitive if made next.

[Ron Swanson]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Well it’s all hypothetical anyways until something is signed, Mikey fought not long ago, I was just saying. Feel like you follow boxing on a day to day thing much more than I, so no real qualms with your stance. Don’t you think it’d be wiser for Garcia to test the waters against someone lesser who holds the weight, though? He looked and struggled every bit the part of a smaller man against lipinets...I totally understand just wanting to see good fights made, but this one could be better in due course, right? I don’t think it’s even competitive if made next.

Generally I would say grow into a weight. But I don’t think Mikey will ever have any more chance against Spence than he does now. I don’t think he beats him now or 2 years from now.

I think it is only a chance for both to get paid and Mikey to walk away with the reputation that he will fight anyone which he can then use to force Loma’s hand. Right now people say Arum/Mikey have issues even though Mikey is quite clear he is willing to make that fight and wants to talk. This leaves Loma free and clear. Nobody demands anything of Loma and somehow the guy clearly willing to fight gets the blame. If he fights Spence everyone knows for certain he is willing to fight Loma so the pressure shifts and we have a chance at least at getting the fight we want.

My only concern in this is how do we force Arum to allow Garcia/Loma

[Alpha]

Loma is scheduled to face Pedraza in Dec. Mikey should defend against Commey, they could then realistically start to negotiate this fight.

Both guys best move in my opinion is to unify 135, then look at 140 and the Ramirez/ Orozco winner, Hooker and the WBSS winner.

The fighters at 147 all have their own work to do in the meantime.